will this Bogger fit?
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I think you'll eat the fenders. My 93 YJ had 7.5" of lift and it would rub in the back with 36" TSLs. I couldn't even disconnect the sway bar unless I was VERY careful because I would have torn off my front fenders.
I had 39s on my CJ-5 with a 4" SUA, 3" BL, 1" Shackle and LOTS of wheel opening trimming. My front fenders were basically just the top panel screwed to the hood, and I could still hit them....
I had 39s on my CJ-5 with a 4" SUA, 3" BL, 1" Shackle and LOTS of wheel opening trimming. My front fenders were basically just the top panel screwed to the hood, and I could still hit them....
Joopin
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what happened... I'm here, and I think that those 38.5s WILL fit with an SOA and a 2.5 spring lift. I run 36s with a SOA and AAL (which is only an extra 1.5") When you think about it, the 36s and the 38s are only 1.25" difference that you have to consider for the lift. The other inch is on the other side of the rim giving you axle clearance. So if you look at my jeep and ask yourself "can one and a quarder inch of tire fit between the rim and fender?" You will find your answer. BUT if it were me I would put at least a 1.5 body lift on it, just cut those pucks in half. The thing you will have to be concerend with is the width of the tire, offset rims and such... how wide is it?
Whats your steering questions?
PS, not dumping on anyone just my opinion.
The tire is the 38.5" x 15 Bogger. The other tires I am considering are the 35 x 14.50 or the 35 x 16. Which ever one I pick would be going on a 15 x 12 rim with 3 5/8 backspacing. It is Eagle Alloys 058. I can't find a rim of that size and price with less backspacing. Decisions!!!
I'll figure out the steering when I get to it.
I'll figure out the steering when I get to it.
Joopin
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bryanjeep said:
I would be worried about those 15" wide boggers rubbing the spring packs... my 14.5s are so close with a 3 5/8" offset... it actually rubs on one side but not the other, but thats because I need to lengthen my drag link. If they do rub it can be remedied with a wheel spacer or adjust the turning radius on your front wheels.
Hi-steer would be the best of course but its a little pricey for me. I ended up putting a relocation bracket onto the trac bar and left the stock drag link. I was considering the dropped drag link to help with bump steer, but I ended up not having any! You may want one because of your extra lift there... but I had a difficult time finding a dropped drag link, and it took me a month to track one down. These guys just started selling them, I think they actually fab them too... http://www.tandjperformance.com/
They are good people, I think it runs for about 150 bucks.
Please spare me the stories and opinions on this one, but I am sticking to stock axles until they give up on me. :roll:firemanharry
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Back seat for sale.
If it ain't broke........don't fix it.
If it ain't broke........don't fix it.
redrooster
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To answer the first question, yes the 2.5" springs on top of the axles will fit a 38.5" tire. You will either have to put the body lift on or get the saw after the fenders though, because it will still rub in the front and back when it flexes.
You will have to address many other problems: Your stock axles with these tires won't be wide enough to turn the tire without hitting the springs. Even the 14.50 Bogger will rub. Your gearing is going to have to change to get the power back...probably have to go to a 5.13. The stock power steering (even with high steer) doesn't like to turn that big a tire. It will be fine on the road but very difficult on the trails. You will also have to add traction bars to the rear if you do the spring over, because when the Boggers grab solid ground they either go or break something.
All of this is pending how hard you wheel your Jeep, but as a general rule I would max the stock axles out with 33's. A Dana 44 or similar can handle a 35" bogger or 36" TSL. Anything bigger and you really should go on and put one tons under there. My Scout 44's didn't last one trail ride when I went from a 35 Bogger to a 38 TSL-SX. I broke one rear axle, and one front axle and bent the rear housing even with a truss on it.
Now I run 39.5 x 18" Boggers with the little lugs cut out. They are sitting on a Dana 60 front, 14 bolt rear with 2.5" springs on top of the axle, traction bars, hydraulic steering and the fenders cut to the max. I don't have any issues with steering, rubbing or breaking.
You can get the tires under there with the lift combo and new wheels you mentioned above, but you are going to have serious problems when you get off the pavement.
Think about what you really want to accomplish and waht I said about the one tons. Anything less than that with a 38" tire is going to require frequent band-aids.
You will have to address many other problems: Your stock axles with these tires won't be wide enough to turn the tire without hitting the springs. Even the 14.50 Bogger will rub. Your gearing is going to have to change to get the power back...probably have to go to a 5.13. The stock power steering (even with high steer) doesn't like to turn that big a tire. It will be fine on the road but very difficult on the trails. You will also have to add traction bars to the rear if you do the spring over, because when the Boggers grab solid ground they either go or break something.
All of this is pending how hard you wheel your Jeep, but as a general rule I would max the stock axles out with 33's. A Dana 44 or similar can handle a 35" bogger or 36" TSL. Anything bigger and you really should go on and put one tons under there. My Scout 44's didn't last one trail ride when I went from a 35 Bogger to a 38 TSL-SX. I broke one rear axle, and one front axle and bent the rear housing even with a truss on it.
Now I run 39.5 x 18" Boggers with the little lugs cut out. They are sitting on a Dana 60 front, 14 bolt rear with 2.5" springs on top of the axle, traction bars, hydraulic steering and the fenders cut to the max. I don't have any issues with steering, rubbing or breaking.
You can get the tires under there with the lift combo and new wheels you mentioned above, but you are going to have serious problems when you get off the pavement.
Think about what you really want to accomplish and waht I said about the one tons. Anything less than that with a 38" tire is going to require frequent band-aids.
Remember I am also steping up to a Chevy 350 at the same time. I will be using the Chevy power steering pump.
I can't find any better axles around here. The hard part is finding a driver side drop front axle. So I plan on going till they break. I'd love to put a full size 60 in the rear and 44 in the front or whatever, but like I said, It is just about impossible to find one here. I dont want to pay to have one shipped to me.
Know where I can find a 15 x 12 cheap rim with less backspacing? I don't rock climb. I mainly mud and drive on street.
I can't find any better axles around here. The hard part is finding a driver side drop front axle. So I plan on going till they break. I'd love to put a full size 60 in the rear and 44 in the front or whatever, but like I said, It is just about impossible to find one here. I dont want to pay to have one shipped to me.
Know where I can find a 15 x 12 cheap rim with less backspacing? I don't rock climb. I mainly mud and drive on street.
Bounty__Hunter
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350 power AND 38" Boggers? You know what you're getting into, you know you will break in short order. Why waste the money putting the 38" tires on the 5x4.5" lug wheels when you know you'll be upgrading after the first time you accelerate?
Remember that the stock axles will only gear down to 4.88, and why waste money regearing when you need to swap axles.
What's your stock axle ratio?
Remember that the stock axles will only gear down to 4.88, and why waste money regearing when you need to swap axles.
What's your stock axle ratio?
UUUUGGGGHHHH, if only I can find some good axles around here, I wouldn't have this problem. I am getting myself into a bind. I really want the 38.5's. If not I'd get the 35's. But even then I am aware that the axles are pushing it. I'd hate to buy the SOA conversion parts meant for a stock setup and turn around getting Dana 60, 44 or 14 bolt. Bounty, do you know anyone with some decent axles I can buy?
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