O2 Sensor...revisited

MikeTheMedic

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Hi Guys

I'm new to this forum. I first wanted to say that you guys offer great advice and I'm impressed with the lengths that many of you will go to in order to help out a complete stranger. Having said that, I'm wondering if anyone could help me out with my issue?

It is once again regarding an O2 sensor. Before I go any further, know that I have read the threads regarding O2 sensors before I posted this.

My Jeep has an intermittent check engine light that comes on for about five days and is then off for one. The code it is displaying is P0138 - O2 Sensor High Voltage Bank 1, Sensor 2. I have a 2003 Jeep TJ (unmodified) 4.0 L in line 6 in case you were wondering.

I know that this is the sensor after the cat on the driver's side. The questions I have are as follows:

-In a straight 6, both exhaust manifolds exit the engine on the left side. Therefore which one is bank 1? I believe it is the one closest to the front of the vehicle, but correct me if I'm wrong.

-Will replacing the appropriate O2 sensor correct this problem? Will it likely correct this problem?

I'd sincerely appreciate any advice anyone would be willing to provide. I'm sure I have other questions, but that's it for now.

Thanks, -Mike
 

An O2 sensor is a galvanic battery that provides the PCM with a voltage signal (0-1 volt) inversely proportional to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. In other words, if the oxygen content is low, the voltage output is high; if the oxygen content is high the output voltage is low. The PCM uses this information to adjust injector pulse-width to achieve the 14.7–to–1 air/fuel ratio necessary for proper engine operation and to control emissions.

The O2 sensor must have a source of oxygen from outside of the exhaust stream for comparison. Current O2 sensors receive their fresh oxygen (outside air) supply through the O2 sensor case housing.

Four wires (circuits) are used on each O2 sensor: a 12–volt feed circuit for the sensor heating element; a ground circuit for the heater element; a low-noise sensor return circuit to the PCM, and an input circuit from the sensor back to the PCM to detect sensor operation.

Oxygen Sensor Heater Relay: If the vehicle is equipped with 4 oxygen sensors, a separate oxygen sensor relay is used to supply voltage to the sensor heating elements. This particular relay is used only for the 1/2 and 2/2 downstream sensors. Voltage for the other 2 sensor heating elements is supplied directly from the ASD relay. Refer to 8, Wiring Diagrams to determine which relay is used.

To avoid the large simultaneous current surge needed to operate all 4 sensors, power is delayed to the 2 downstream heater elements by the PCM for approximately 2 seconds.

Oxygen Sensor Heater Elements:

The O2 sensor uses a Positive Thermal Co-efficient (PTC) heater element. As temperature increases, resistance increases. At ambient temperatures around 70°F, the resistance of the heating element is approximately 4.5 ohms. As the sensor's temperature increases, resistance in the heater element increases. This allows the heater to maintain the optimum operating temperature of approximately 930°-1100°F (500°-600° C). Although the sensors operate the same, there are physical differences, due to the environment that they operate in, that keep them from being interchangeable.

Maintaining correct sensor temperature at all times allows the system to enter into closed loop operation sooner. Also, it allows the system to remain in closed loop operation during periods of extended idle.

In Closed Loop operation, the PCM monitors certain O2 sensor input(s) along with other inputs, and adjusts the injector pulse width accordingly. During Open Loop operation, the PCM ignores the O2 sensor input. The PCM adjusts injector pulse width based on preprogrammed (fixed) values and inputs from other sensors.

Upstream Sensor - Engine Equipped With 2 Sensors: The upstream sensor (1/1) provides an input voltage to the PCM. The input tells the PCM the oxygen content of the exhaust gas. The PCM uses this information to fine tune fuel delivery to maintain the correct oxygen content at the downstream oxygen sensor. The PCM will change the air/fuel ratio until the upstream sensor inputs a voltage that the PCM has determined will make the downstream sensor output (oxygen content) correct.

The upstream oxygen sensor also provides an input to determine catalytic convertor efficiency.

Downstream Sensor - Engine Equipped With 2 Sensors: The downstream oxygen sensor (1/2) is also used to determine the correct air-fuel ratio. As the oxygen content changes at the downstream sensor, the PCM calculates how much air-fuel ratio change is required. The PCM then looks at the upstream oxygen sensor voltage and changes fuel delivery until the upstream sensor voltage changes enough to correct the downstream sensor voltage (oxygen content).

The downstream oxygen sensor also provides an input to determine catalytic convertor efficiency.

Upstream Sensors - Engine Equipped With 4 Sensors: Two upstream sensors are used (1/1 and 2/1). The 1/1 sensor is the first sensor to receive exhaust gases from the #1 cylinder. They provide an input voltage to the PCM. The input tells the PCM the oxygen content of the exhaust gas. The PCM uses this information to fine tune fuel delivery to maintain the correct oxygen content at the downstream oxygen sensors. The PCM will change the air/fuel ratio until the upstream sensors input a voltage that the PCM has determined will make the downstream sensors output (oxygen content) correct.

The upstream oxygen sensors also provide an input to determine mini-catalyst efficiency. Main catalytic convertor efficiency is not calculated with this package.

Downstream Sensors - Engine Equipped With 4 Sensors: Two downstream sensors are used (1/2 and 2/2). The downstream sensors are used to determine the correct air-fuel ratio. As the oxygen content changes at the downstream sensor, the PCM calculates how much air-fuel ratio change is required. The PCM then looks at the upstream oxygen sensor voltage, and changes fuel delivery until the upstream sensor voltage changes enough to correct the downstream sensor voltage (oxygen content).

The downstream oxygen sensors also provide an input to determine mini-catalyst efficiency. Main catalytic convertor efficiency is not calculated with this package.

Engines equipped with either a downstream sensor(s), or a post-catalytic sensor, will monitor catalytic convertor efficiency. If efficiency is below emission standards, the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) will be illuminated and a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) will be set..
 
The straight 6 doesn't have multiple O2 "banks." The code says "bank 1" because the OBDII is a universal system, and therefore needs codes for different banks b/c of other engine configurations. "Bank 2" codes simply aren't used on the 6.
 
As a Rule of thumb, Bank 1 is Driver side, Bank 2 is Passenger Side, Sensor 1 is towards the engine(Before catalyst), sensor 2 is farthest from the engine(after Catalyst. Will it fix the Problem if you replace the sensor? More likely , yes. but thats a S.W.A.G. a Scientific wild a$$ Guess. the definition of the Diagnostic Trouble Code being a high voltage Concern would mean that it may be an open ckt on the ground, signal CKt open, Sensor signal ckt shorted to supply ckt, etc. if you dont want to take it to a repair shop and just do it yourself then make sure that you check the connections to the O2 sensor , if it checks out good replace the sensor. also make sure that the O2 sensor wires coming out of the Base of the sensor is not packed with mud or grease. the O2 sensor samples air through the base where the wires comes out. if it is restricted then that 02 sensor will throw out an erroneous Trouble Code. i hope this helps you understand it's function and how to locate them.
 

THANK YOU - very helpful!


As a Rule of thumb, Bank 1 is Driver side, Bank 2 is Passenger Side, Sensor 1 is towards the engine(Before catalyst), sensor 2 is farthest from the engine(after Catalyst. Will it fix the Problem if you replace the sensor? More likely , yes. but thats a S.W.A.G. a Scientific wild a$$ Guess. the definition of the Diagnostic Trouble Code being a high voltage Concern would mean that it may be an open ckt on the ground, signal CKt open, Sensor signal ckt shorted to supply ckt, etc. if you dont want to take it to a repair shop and just do it yourself then make sure that you check the connections to the O2 sensor , if it checks out good replace the sensor. also make sure that the O2 sensor wires coming out of the Base of the sensor is not packed with mud or grease. the O2 sensor samples air through the base where the wires comes out. if it is restricted then that 02 sensor will throw out an erroneous Trouble Code. i hope this helps you understand it's function and how to locate them.
 
jay79cj7:

Thank you for your reply. I am not an expert on the mechanical parts of a Jeep in any way and so that's why I'm here asking for help. Though I would like to direct you to the following attachments I've included that may explain my confusion over your reply. The attached photo is the exact same configuration as my Jeep and clearely outlines banks 1 and 2 in addition to sensors 1 and 2.

Just wondering if you could clarify on your original post?

Thank you.

-Mike

The straight 6 doesn't have multiple O2 "banks." The code says "bank 1" because the OBDII is a universal system, and therefore needs codes for different banks b/c of other engine configurations. "Bank 2" codes simply aren't used on the 6.
 

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