Battery Help $$$$$$

How ever, I'f found that the best battery out there for us with Jeeps, starting, and lights, and winches, the optima blue top by itself or dual. The reason for this is because optima made the blue (marine) top the same as the yellow deep cycle except they added the side terminals, which makes hooking up a winch and/or accessories a LOT easier.

Have a look at optima's site here. allpartsdistributing dot com

Another comment was about charging with a battery tender when you're not using the Jeep. This too is correct however, the battery tender jr. (shown) will only put a surface charge on the large batteries. These were made for motorcycle batteries (power sports) and only put out .75 amps. The one you need is the Power Tender, it puts out a 5 amp charge.

Thanks a lot,
Tony

To avoid confusing let me clear up a couple of things...

First the difference between BlueTop (light gray case) and YellowTop deep cycle batteries is that BlueTop batteries have both automotive (SAE) posts and threaded posts on top, while YellowTops (other than D31T) only have SAE posts. However, Yellow Top size codes D34/78, and D75/25 batteries have both top and side terminals. Do not connect a winch or other high current draw device to the side terminals but they can be used for other accessories.

Secondly, the Deltran Battery Tender Jr. uses a complete 4-step charging program (Initialization, Bulk Charge, Absorption Mode, Float Mode) and will charge all 12v. lead-acid type batteries. at 0.75 amps it just takes longer than it's 1.25 amp bigger brothers.

Just so you don't think I'm selling Battery Tender's, check out another good product: Battery Doc - Complete Battery Charging Solutions
 
Phil is an OK guy and I bet his feet don't stink. I'm really learning a lot about batteries and tenders thanks to all of the input. Check out this link if you want to know how to charge a battery and stages of charge.Battery Charging Tutorial | ChargingChargers.com. I think this is the way to go still confused why you would need a 5 amp tender as suggested earlier.
 
Just blowing you crap Phil. I too feel it liberating to work on a jeep barefooted. If it's above 45, I'm normally in flip-flops or sandles. Except or course at work, where "The Man" requires work boots, leather, and above the ankle to be exact. Foot Nazi's!
 

Ok from all the good advise I got my new battery. For cost purpose I went with the Optima red top which I found at Costco for $125. I ordered a battery tender the 1.5 amp and spent a bit more for the quality one. Found something interesting before my TJ had idle problems (no Idle when cold) the new battery took care of that. Must be a Mopar computer problem with low voltage. So I'm a happy camper thanks for all your help.
 
OK from all the good advise I got my new battery. For cost purpose I went with the Optima red top which I found at Costco for $125. I ordered a battery tender the 1.5 amp and spent a bit more for the quality one. Found something interesting before my TJ had idle problems (no Idle when cold) the new battery took care of that. Must be a Mopar computer problem with low voltage. So I'm a happy camper thanks for all your help.

Cool. Now for just that added bit of safety, take a look at installing something like this...
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For about $20 bucks (Amazon.com: Battery-Disconnect Switch - Will Fit Both Side Post and Top Post: Automotive) you can add an Anti-Theft Battery Disconnect Switch and Battery Saver. It will not loose your radio, alarm or computer settings and as a bonus it acts as a security kill switch to prevent your rig from being stolen as well. Manufacture states..."Vehicle cannot be started without knob. Use as battery saver or safety switch by loosen knob and removing fuse.

So for about $20 bucks you can stop all parasitic drain on you battery while the rig sits in storage AND a theft deterrent device as well. I'd say that's money well spent!
 
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From what I've been hearing, Optima's quality has seriously tanked in the last few years. Also, the Costco/Sam's Club Optimas aren't the same as regular Optimas, and actually have less CCA's and RC. The DieHard Platinum P4 is the battery I'd recommend at this point. And that's coming from someone who sells Optimas at Sam's, by the way...
 
Okay, forget Optima but since your rigs sits for so long at a time I would seriously suggest a battery designated as deep cycle/starting or recommend you use something like a Battery Tender to maintain the battery while it sits.

Odessey makes killer AGM deep cycle batteries but a PC1500 will run about $250 +/- a few bucks either way. A couple of years ago Sears contracted with EnerSys to carry a branded version of this battery. They sell it as the Sears Diehard Platinum P1 (single top posts) or P4 (top and side posts) for $189.99 plus all the government stuff and a killer 4-Year Free Replacement; 100-Month Prorated Limited Warranty, to boot!

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These are very good batteries.

Yes,
I agree with Phil. Currently I have a Diehard Gold ( a step down from the Platinum). If you dont want to shell the money for a platinum, the gold should do just fine.
 
From what I've been hearing, Optima's quality has seriously tanked in the last few years. Also, the Costco/Sam's Club Optimas aren't the same as regular Optimas, and actually have less CCA's and RC. The DieHard Platinum P4 is the battery I'd recommend at this point. And that's coming from someone who sells Optimas at Sam's, by the way...
I did some research and can't find any proof that Costco has a different Optima then any one else. So if it is true how do you know??? I have a DieHard in my 4x4 truck and I also like the warranty.:???::???:
 

I guess I don't know for sure that CostCo's are, I sorta figured they are because they sell them about the same price as I do at Sam's. Our respective tire departments sell a lot of the same product.
 
Costco only has the lowest price of all the red tops so there is not much of a choice. Only time will tell how it works keep you posted
 
mikep said:
OK the old battery in my 97 Wrangler is dead and gone. The jeep sits in the garage sometimes for months as it is my toy. Looking at Optima red or yellow help me with the cost is it worth the bucks ???? Any other ideas appreciated.:???:

Yes Optimas are great batteries but since it sits for long periods of time you should put a BatteryTender Plus on it. AllPartsDistributing.com sells them for a very competitive price.

Good luck.
 

Also Autozone has no way to charge or do a true test on them and just replaces them no questions asked.
Not any more Autozone has a new style of battery tester thast tests AGM (gel cell) style batterys.
All stores also have the new chargers for AGM batterys.
 
optima red ,yellow,or blue don't hold a strong charge when sitting months on end , if you go optima the best thing is to use a trickle charge on it to keep it fully charged while being stored it also helps extend the life of the battery , this method also works with standard battery's also , its something about keeping the molecules in battery working , since I started using a trickle I never once had a dead battery even if I leave my jeep out in 20- below with a trickle charge going , starts strong no dragging
 
Hello, I noticed your conversation regarding our batteries and wanted to offer some assistance. Mike, Phil is absolutely correct about our YellowTops for deep-cycle applications. We strongly recommend batteries designed for deep-cycle use, like our YellowTops, in vehicles with winches and other significant electrical draws. An appropriately-sized RedTop will offer plenty of cranking amps, but it is not designed or warrantied for deep-cycle use, including winching and large stereo systems. All of our batteries are up to 15 times more resistant to vibration than standard, flooded batteries.

If you don't drive your Jeep very often, regular use of a quality battery tender or maintainer as Phil suggested, will help extend the life of your battery, regardless of brand. Another alternative is a quick disconnect like the one Phil posted, in conjunction with a fully-charged battery. Our batteries actually have a very low self-discharge rate, but if a disconnect still allows you to maintain presets, it is still allowing some current to be drawn off the battery and the battery could still end up being discharged, if it sits long enough. When batteries are discharged below 12.4 volts and allowed to sit in that state, sulfation begins to diminish both capacity and lifespan. Fully-charged, our RedTops will measure approximately 12.6-12.8 volts and our YellowTops will measure approximately 13.0-13.2 volts.

Since SteelHeadz & Steven both mentioned the “g” word, I should clarify that Optima batteries are not gel batteries. Most standard lead-acid battery chargers will work just fine on our batteries, but “gel” and “gel/AGM” charger settings should be avoided, as they will not fully-charge our batteries and could damage them over time.

Marc, I'm glad to hear your YellowTop has performed well for you. Although some retailers will issue exchanges with no questions asked, all retailers are supposed to charge and check all batteries before issuing a warranty replacement. All of our retailers do have the capability to perform a “charge and check” on returned batteries. However, many of the “bad” batteries returned to us are just deeply-discharged and work fine, when properly recharged, so it is obviously not unheard of for a retailer to simply take a return and give an exchange out.

Tony, our BlueTop batteries have additional threaded top posts for marine applications and do not have side posts. They are identical internally to their YellowTop counterparts (except for the 34M, which is the marine version of our Group 34 RedTop), but YellowTops come with three-year free replacement warranties. As Phil indicated, Optimas with light gray cases are designed for deep-cycle and starting use, while Optimas with dark gray cases are designed only for starting applications. Tony, I appreciate your interest in making a sale, but the website you posted is not affiliated with the official Optima batteries website in any way shape or form. Please edit your post accordingly.

Gordy, the quality of our batteries has always been excellent and continues to improve. The batteries we are making today are the best we have ever made and the assumptions you made are incorrect. We manufacture all of our own batteries in our own facility and they are the only batteries made there. We never re-brand or re-spec them for any retailer. If anyone has any questions about our batteries, I'll do my best to answer them.


Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
 

I have the optima red top in my race truck. It also sits for months sometimes and I have never had a problem with it not having enough juice to turn over a high compression motor. I don't have a trickle charger on it or do I disconnect the terminals. Great battery.
 
Optimas are a great product. Always the first thing I replace when I buy a vehicle. Expensive at first, but id rather spend $200 once, than $80 five times over.
 
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