Debate or Debacle?
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Tug-n-pull
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More of the same Vs. A new direction! To blast either partys front runner for the shear pleasure of blasting is not going to help anyone. By this point you should be pretty sure who you plan to vote for. My standing and pointing to all I see wrong with Bush will only make some tempers flair and I then am on the same playing field as Mike Moore and his 911 movie. Any of you that hated the 911 movie weither you seen it or not, have placed your selves on the same plain with Mike Moore when you crack the jokes and slander and bash Kerry, Bush or any of the other runners. My party is no secret here on Jeepz and that is not what I am trying to make a stance on here. I am just so tired of the slap each others behind campaign that both of the big two "goof balls" are runing and are so good at. It is like two Youngun's caught doing something wrong in by a parent and both pointing the finger at the other to hide their own falts. I will say this Kerry is not my first choice or even second choice but Bush is not either the men I would have run are not even on the ticket. What I wish I could understand is where oh where are the good men who could run and do not? Why do we have to pick from the rabble the party of both sides pull out of the crowded political field? Must we all throw the mud just as bad as our "leaders" do? Why must we be as quick to go for the cheap shot as both Bush or Kerry do. Leave the jokes to David Letterman and Leno and spend more in deep thought on the subjects that matter. Wade throug the hipe and mud and for goodness sake do not vote for Bush cause you think Kerry looks like Herman Munster or the other way cause Bush looks like a chimp! Look not for anything negative rather seek the positive in both or eaither. Again niether are my idea for the leader of this country but at least they both are willing to try. Both are bought and paid for by big business and lobby groups. Both will make mistakes as time goes but in the middle of all that, Maybe one of them might just find themselves able to do some good. I like to think that both are capible of such a mistake. Sorry for the soap box thing but I hate the campaign and how it has been handled by both sides. Civility and Reverence for the leaders and the elections of the same were bought with the blood and lives of good men and women. I really do not care how you plan to vote and can do nothing about how you handle your thoughts and or actions but I can throw this idea out and hope some one will understand my thoughts. I still believe in a good clean fight, guess I am just ol fashioned. tug
TwistedCU
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.Tug-n-pull said:
Tug they have been torn down by their parties for not toting the party lines - a fatal price to pay in todays political arena. If that failed, the media finished them off. The good men to which the above reasons do not apply are members of different parties and for that reason never get exposure, press or the corporate $$$ to finance a campaign. Even though I think your question was rhetorical, I felt the need to express that I share your frustration and give you the answer I think you already knew. I actually liked a few that have ran over the last 8 years, but none of them made the cut.
You are right Tug, and your point is well taken. I guess partly due to sheer frustration it is easy (real easy for these guys) to make light of them and poke fun. You are right though, one of these men will lead our country for four years and there certainly are more constructive ways to discuss them. Thank you for the whack on the back of the head. I guess I needed that.
mingez
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Platform, issues...that's why we vote. The munster and chimp pics are just for fun. :wink:
I don't think most of us are childish enough to vote based on party lines. But Iraq, stem cell research, domestic spending, military spending, education, abortion, guns, etc. These are the reasons we vote.
We rushed into IRAQ, not afganistan. The thought process isn't that we rushed into war after 911, but much later in Iraq, due to unfounded speculation.
But, and there is a but, Dems are milking the Iraqi situation WAY too much. There is one thing I will say about Bush, he isn't full of sh*t. I believehe thought/thinks he's doing the right thing, so that I can respect.
And just like I don't think Bush's inabiltiy to speak is THAT important, I also would say that Kerry being weak on terrorism is being spun way out of control. And that's the point the GOP is milking a bit too much.
It's an interesting election. The Democratic party is disorganized, but have a candidate capable of "Sounding Good" in a debate. The Republicans are organized, but have a candidate that can't properly pronounce the word "Nuclear". FYI W, it's not Nu-que-lur.
We need to dissolve politcal parties, and vote for candidates and issues...not organizations.
The day a Pro gun, Pro environment, Pro stem cell research, Pro education, Tough on Terrorism, Non anti Gay, Non Moral Majority, Smaller Government, Economic genius comes along.... give me a call... I'm down.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.... :x
I don't think most of us are childish enough to vote based on party lines. But Iraq, stem cell research, domestic spending, military spending, education, abortion, guns, etc. These are the reasons we vote.
We rushed into IRAQ, not afganistan. The thought process isn't that we rushed into war after 911, but much later in Iraq, due to unfounded speculation.
But, and there is a but, Dems are milking the Iraqi situation WAY too much. There is one thing I will say about Bush, he isn't full of sh*t. I believehe thought/thinks he's doing the right thing, so that I can respect.
And just like I don't think Bush's inabiltiy to speak is THAT important, I also would say that Kerry being weak on terrorism is being spun way out of control. And that's the point the GOP is milking a bit too much.
It's an interesting election. The Democratic party is disorganized, but have a candidate capable of "Sounding Good" in a debate. The Republicans are organized, but have a candidate that can't properly pronounce the word "Nuclear". FYI W, it's not Nu-que-lur.
We need to dissolve politcal parties, and vote for candidates and issues...not organizations.
The day a Pro gun, Pro environment, Pro stem cell research, Pro education, Tough on Terrorism, Non anti Gay, Non Moral Majority, Smaller Government, Economic genius comes along.... give me a call... I'm down.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.... :x
mingez
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TwistedCopper said:
TC, Truer words haven't been spoken on this thread. It's a shame the way we do politics around here. It sure is hard to evolve with this system.
Antiquated is the system, from electoral college to 2 party politics, it doesn't work. So, inorder to acheive true change, the 2 parties we are stuck with must change. That'll never happen, and that's a horrible reality.
Tug, jokes aren't the same thing as lies.
I'm looking for negatives, you have to. To ignore negatives in a quest to SEEK a positive in our presidential candidates is just plain socially irresponsible. Kerry hasn't given anything but hype and mud. What exactly ARE his plans(this week)? Besides asking the UN for permission before an American citizen is allowed to cut a fart, that is?
Now don't take this post as argumentative, I totally understand your position. I support Bush in this election but he has disappointed me on a regular basis too. Like you, I wish we could field some better candidates, but we got what we got. :roll:
Tug-n-pull
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Junkpile said:
Not going to take your or anyone elses points as arguments as I hope you do the same for me. Like you just a speaken my mind! tug
TwistedCU
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I took what Tug wrote to mean that if you're gonna talk about them, not to harp on the belittling petty cracks.
I will most definately continue to make my views known, but try to shy away from the circus acts. I didn't mean I wouldn't point out things I don't like about one or the other's policies or past *ahem* voting record.
I started this thread making that point and wound up jumping on the bash bus. I'm glad it was pointed out.
I will most definately continue to make my views known, but try to shy away from the circus acts. I didn't mean I wouldn't point out things I don't like about one or the other's policies or past *ahem* voting record.
I started this thread making that point and wound up jumping on the bash bus. I'm glad it was pointed out.
Tug-n-pull
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mud4feet said:
I for one felt he would have made a real difference in the world or at least America. Trouble is we only have two real parties to vote for. I feel he was the right man, wrong party! Shame aint it? tug
Green97TJ
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Thats not at all what i meant by it. I meant my post wasnt a "real" response. When in person with people that i know better, i will discuss politics all day long. But on a board like this with people that dont really know my personality, i try to avoid the more serious issues. Thats all im trying to say.
Sorry that my first post was taken the wrong way, thats exactly what im trying to avoid.
Nathan
Tug-n-pull
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mingez said:
I just remembered the Ross P joke!
Perot put out a watch after the election! On the market everyone was all impressed, It looked great ad the had a feel of quality! Only problem was some times it ran and sometimes it didn't. hehehee tug
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