Blinkers and horn

[greg92jeepxj]

Hey desertrunner , read your post on your '93 XJ with no horn or turn signals . Bummer . Please play nice in traffic until repaired , which means " HORN BROKEN , WATCH FOR FINGER " does not apply . LOL . I have a shop manual for a '92 and am going through it like a LA road map , will sort it out ASAP . Meanwhile , you got headlights but no turn signals or marker lights ?
I know you said fuses are good , but do you have power going through ? Trying to find any relays the fuses power for lights , but the horn relay is under dash to right of steering column . Schematics show with/without security alarm , will have to research further , hoping that this isn't what may be disabling your harness and lights . Got me wondering , will have to look for a common junction , like maybe a module . It will be fun , or a piece of cake . But it is a step up from the '66 Chevy I cut my teeth on back in the day . Working on it and will try to make progress soonest , wish my job did not get in my way . Hang tough , will be on the job and hope to make you proud.

 

[desertrunner]

Yeah all else is good.. I was messing around with my brother and hit the horn and it sounded for a split second.. I pulled the steering wheel apart and the contacts were fine.. not sure what's going on

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN.

Just got your post desertrunner , thanks . Sounds like the horn button is intermittent like my jeep is , usually it's a problem with the insulator behind the contact where the steering wheel bolts to column. If the headlights and marker lights are working , it's seems that the turn signal flasher is not . Check for power there , that will be in the fuse panel under the dash . You can try swapping in one that is known to be good to see if you get turn signals now . I failed to ask if your four-way flashers are operative , but you said all else is good ? That is a separate flasher .If it is just the turn signals and the flasher swap fixes it , great ! If not , please post exactly what you find to be inoperative as I will try to keep looking at my 1992 shop Manuel as it should be helpful on your year . Hope this helps and will see what I can find . Glad your making progress and hope you will have your rig fully operational and safe ASAP ! It should not be a major problem as I do not think your light switch is faulty , but I must get a better understanding of the way power is routed to each light system . Hope to hear some good news soonest . I'll keep at it too . Best regards .

 

[desertrunner]

Yeah the caution lights work pefectly fine. I'll get into it more tomorrow when o fix my steering column and replace my key cylander... Both are in pretty bad shape. I've fixed almost every last thing on this jeep the past few months but I guess I should expect it for 750 bucks

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

Hey desertrunner ! Good to hear from you ! Glad that much is good which gives me the feeling that it is probably not serious a problem . One thing I have learned about jeeps since I have owned my '92 XJ ( since march 2001 ) is that they are made to work on ! That is great because that is what we do . I swear , if everything is approached with the right plan , the success rate for repair is excellent . These trucks were made to be taken apart and put back together like field stripping and reassembling a rifle or pistol . Just bigger and tighter . But since those systems are working , that tells me that the wiring harness should be alright as turn signals and flashers use the same wires to light the bulbs , so it should be that much easier and that much more is working correctly . As far as the price , if the body , power train and drivetrain are in good shape , I think you did alright as we know that no one just gives away these four wheelers . Parts alone could add up to at least that much if parted out .
Personally , I would only do that to my jeep if the body were too far gone . If a part goes , replace it is what I have been doing . Been working for me and my elbow grease is cheaper than the dealers or service station any day ! I won't let another man get his hands on my girl either ! LOL . I am sure you should be able to correct what was done by the previous owner without too much trouble . I think it is just maintenance time and probably overdue . Last owner must not have been too handy or just thought jeeps last forever on their own . People get like that and that is our bargaining chip when we buy them .
Please keep us posted when you can , you know the deal , one step at a time , you'll get 'er done ! I quote Larry the cable guy a lot ! Good wrenching and will hit the books too ! Later brother . Greg .

 

[desertrunner]

Long story short.. rolled my 97 xj swapped suspension to the cheap 93 after rebuilding the head replaceing clutch many sensors and an infinite amount of other random issues. It's gettin there tho. I don't think the previous owner was very handy at all... The old stereo had been wired in with 110 extension cords and the dash cover was hot gunned on. Idk how many times my palm has hit my face finding things like that. She's been abused and neglected and was nearly dead when I found her but I've brought her back to life with more tlc then needed to raise a child ha

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

I have to say I can really respect somebody who will stop at nothing to get their rig to where they want it ! Good show !!!!!!!!!!
Wow ! 110 extension cords and hot glued dash , in some countries they execute people for less ! I SMELL SMOKE ! I thought I saw the last of something like that when I told my friend to just let it go with some of cars that came through his hands too ! His cars just were not worth it from the word go . Some so called mechanics are riggers and butchers , as we know . But if you can see through their "handy work" and see a good body , engine , trans , t-case , shafts and axles , she will be worth resurrecting over time knowing your heart is in it . It's hard to keep focused when the work gets daunting and time consuming , but every job gets done and moving on to the next job gets her a step closer to what you want from your truck . When it's done , all you got to do is grease her and change her oil (among other things too ) and put gas in and drive it and enjoy ! That's always the plan , but I spend every day looking at my rig and decide that it is still running and working so its still worth fixing . I cannot afford a new rig , so fix her I must . It's a jeep , so I won't give up . Besides , there's jeeps much older still on the road (or off-road) so I have no excuse .
Heck , your truck is newer than mine , so it's got more life left , I'm looking at it . Day by day , system by system , paycheck by paycheck , that's how we do it . Work in progress . We knew it when we started . All in one shot , it's hard and expensive . But little by little , it's less painless comparitavely. A little now, a little latter . That's what keeps me going. My truck too .
I learned quite a bit about my truck and learned I can do it if I try . I am sure your a more advanced four wheeler than I , so this is second nature to you , I'm just trying to keep up . I learn from you guys and pass on my experience when I feel mine is worth something to someone . Thankfully , the XJ is not so technical where it takes a technical school degree to wrench on , just common knowledge automotive wise . Amen to that . A little muscle , bigger tools , more jacks , whatever it takes . We love our rigs for what they do for us and we will take care of them to take care of us . It's just nuts and bolts to us , I know you can already handle that . This was supposed to be a short reply , but just thinking of some of those cars this kid had me under and what we had to do to them . Yeah , I say OH GOD too at some of it , but as long as we stay focused on the big picture , the little details work out . It doesn't hurt to be a member of a great forum like JEEPZ.COM with many knowledgeable members who been there done that too . Two hands are always better than one . Best of luck desertrunner ! Will be in touch . Greg .

 

[desertrunner]

So when I went to replace my ignition key cylander the new $60 one for a 93 is wrong. Turns out I have a pre 91 tilt column in my 93 Cherokee.. the sake one used in the old gm trucks... I'm wondering if some of the electrical connections are different and that's why they don't work

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

I guess an auto parts store can tell if the ignition switch for the existing column is the same or different as the original ?
I can say that my column is very similar or if not the same as a GM style , hoping that the switch is the same too .
If every thing plugged in and none of the original jeep's wiring harness was altered , it would seem that all wiring would have to be checked if power is reaching all components . Looks like back to the book again , starting from the column . Thanks for the update , at least we know where to start . I have a feeling the switch should work with the jeep as long as the installer did right .
My jeep has a tilt column , too bad they did not try harder to locate one from a jeep , if the parts crossover is different.
Ok , here we go . Hope the parts store has good news for you !

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

Did a fast search on autozone's site for an ignition switch for a '93 jeep and a '91 GMC truck using an s15 jimmy as that probably was the best application for a column to fit your jeep (only a junkyard interchange book could confirm) and autozone shows the same part number for tilt column ignition switches . It sounds like the column should have been a direct replacement as long as it is a direct bolt on ? Hoping no wiring was altered , should not have , but I guess when you poke your head under the dash , hope there are NO butt splices and all the jeeps wiring is unmolested . Saying a prayer , lighting a candle !
Still looking at the electrical section of my shop Manuel .

 

[desertrunner]

In 91 the switched from the gm columns to something different. Looking more at it it seems it doesn't quite fit right so I might get the correct column from a Cherokee and swap it to how it should be

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

At this point , that would be the ticket , hope you find a tilt column in good shape at a reasonable price . Hope this solves problems , but will keep reading to see why you get no turn signals . Not sure if the high beam switch interferes with your turn signals . Trying to follow every line from the bulbs back . Ought to get it sorted out . A little different than looking up my a/c electrical , but should be no tougher . If there is no way to keep your existing column due to complexity , no one would blame you for wanting to swap . Your jeep would be happiest with the column it was born with .

 

[desertrunner]

Horn magically works after replacing the key .. found that out this morning. Still searching for a replacement column

 

[greg92jeepxj]

BLINKERS AND HORN

Great to hear that ! Glad to hear little by little things coming along ! Makes you feel great when something works after so much work goes into a project . As long as there is no break in the horn lead wire , all should be fine , great ! Still wishing the best and hoping you get your column soonest . The existing one must be bad if you cannot deal with it , just amazing that the wiring is that far off ! Wondering what the exact make/model it was from , just curious . Hoping that is all that is wrong in terms of your light issue with turn signals . My fingers are crossed that a column magically appears for you !