Weber 38 or holley truck avenger?


I ran a truck avenger before i switched to fuel injection and i loved it.
 
Ok here's the deal. I have a 77 cj7 with the 258 and a Carter 2bbl. The Carter is making my life miserable! I'm about to buy a new carb and the two I've narrowed it down to are the weber 38 and the truck avenger. So I'm looking for feed back before dropping the +400 dollars.
 

are those my only two option? TBI injection is the way to go.

I know the truck avenger (380 cfm I think) will require either a offenhouser manifold or an adapter, not super sure if the weber is a spread bore 4 bbl carb. both run great at angles I would tend to the holley only because of the amount of current aftermarket technology and support for it.
 
jps4jeep said:
are those my only two option? TBI injection is the way to go.

I know the truck avenger (380 cfm I think) will require either a offenhouser manifold or an adapter, not super sure if the weber is a spread bore 4 bbl carb. both run great at angles I would tend to the holley only because of the amount of current aftermarket technology and support for it.

On webbers site they have the 38mm listed as a 2bbl. Could be a typo or I've just been to way to many parties. Haha

Ok so the score so far is
Holley:2
Weber:1
 

82CJ7JEEP said:
If you cannot/don't want to do TBI, I would recommend the Holley.

I wish I could swing the tbi. But its a little much for my budget.
 
Agreed, I would love to go TBI on mine, but the cost versus lack of funding don't match. I am very happy with my Holley.
 
82CJ7JEEP said:
Agreed, I would love to go TBI on mine, but the cost versus lack of funding don't match. I am very happy with my Holley.

There are three types of avenger carbs( not including the aluminum) they look the same but are different in price what gives?
 

The difference is the amount of air/gas mixture the carb can feed the engine and the capacity of the carb needs to match the motor’s ability to digest fuel. The 470 CFM is the smallest of the three and the one you probably would want; even a stock AMC 304 can’t handle more than the 470 CFM without a cam upgrade. You will need to change the intake manifold or use an adaptor (not sure if one is made) to go with the Holley on your 258. One other choice is the Motorcraft 2100/2150 swap. They are plentiful in the bone yards and perform very well off camber. In fact the AMC 304 CJs came stock with them. If you are not comfortable rebuilding one yourself I’m sure you can pick up a rebuilt one at the parts shop. It use to be that most all carb rebuilds were being done by Holley regardless of brand, not sure if that is still the case but may very well be.

PS:
Sorry, just re-read your question. My bet is the price difference is based on the number of units sold. The 670 CFM is probably the most popular and biggest seller so the cost to manufacture and carry is less. It’s like barn red paint. In the old days if you asked the farmer why he painted his barn red he would tell you it was because red paint was the cheapest he could buy but when you asked the dry goods store owner why red paint was cheaper than the other colors he would tell you it was because he sold so darn much of it.
 
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Saddle Tramp said:
The difference is the amount of air/gas mixture the carb can feed the engine and the capacity of the carb needs to match the motor’s ability to digest fuel. The 470 CFM is the smallest of the three and the one you probably would want; even a stock AMC 304 can’t handle more than the 470 CFM without a cam upgrade. You will need to change the intake manifold or use an adaptor (not sure if one is made) to go with the Holley on your 258. One other choice is the Motorcraft 2100/2150 swap. They are plentiful in the bone yards and perform very well off camber. In fact the AMC 304 CJs came stock with them. If you are not comfortable rebuilding one yourself I’m sure you can pick up a rebuilt one at the parts shop. It use to be that most all carb rebuilds were being done by Holley regardless of brand, not sure if that is still the case but may very well be.

PS:
Sorry, just re-read your question. My bet is the price difference is based on the number of units sold. The 670 CFM is probably the most popular and biggest seller so the cost to manufacture and carry is less. It’s like barn red paint. In the old days if you asked the farmer why he painted his barn red he would tell you it was because red paint was the cheapest he could buy but when you asked the dry goods store owner why red paint was cheaper than the other colors he would tell you it was because he sold so darn much of it.

So the 258 can handle the 670 cfm? Provided I find an adapter.
 
NO the 258 will not handle the 670 unless you jet it down to 450-470 cfm. for that you might as well purchase the correct one from the start.
 

82CJ7JEEP said:
NO the 258 will not handle the 670 unless you jet it down to 450-470 cfm. for that you might as well purchase the correct one from the start.

Gotcha. Thanks man I think I'm gunna order mine tomorrow
 
unless you have highly modded a 258, stick with the 470 cfm. to correct, I typed 380 before, it should read 470.. fingers type faster than brain.

another benefit of the weber is that you can reuse all your stock linkages. I think you need a new throttle cable with the Holley, but I would still go with the holley
 
Your welcome, On my stock 360 I am running a Holley 2bbl 500cfm and really need to jet down, I have issues at low rmp and loading up. I am looking into a mild cam and 4bbl for next year should help.
 

Go with the Weber 38...although Weber does not list CFM it is typically referred to as being rated at 390CFM.
Just be sure that you shop a vendor which sells the REDLINE Weber.
 
Go with the Weber 38...although Weber does not list CFM it is typically referred to as being rated at 390CFM.
Just be sure that you shop a vendor which sells the REDLINE Weber.


Well I’ve tried to not bash Weber as all seemed to be leaning to “not the Weber” but I can’t help but lay this out there before Buck spends his hard earned money. Weber carbs can be good or they can be bad. If you get one that is good right out of the box you are a winner but if you don’t, and it happens more often than you might think, you are screwed.

I bought a Weber for my 1989, 258 Wrangler. The butter fly valve was stuck shut when I opened the box and on the lid of the box it said “NO WARRANTY WHATSOEVER”. I called Weber anyway and *****ed about the butterfly valve as I didn’t want to be the one that buggered up an expensive piece hardware.; finally after much debate and “Not My Problem” from the tech I was speaking too he agreed to check it out if I spent the $20 to ship it back to them, which I did. I later called again to find out what the status was only to have the guy tell me that he didn’t understand my problem as all he did was “whack it with a screw driver”. (Gee, why didn’t I want to WHACK a delicate internment and hope for the best?) The thing never did work right and I ended up with an expensive door stop

Cavite Emptor! In my experience they mean that warranty thing.
 

Saddle Tramp said:
Well I’ve tried to not bash Weber as all seemed to be leaning to “not the Weber” but I can’t help but lay this out there before Buck spends his hard earned money. Weber carbs can be good or they can be bad. If you get one that is good right out of the box you are a winner but if you don’t, and it happens more often than you might think, you are screwed.

I bought a Weber for my 1989, 258 Wrangler. The butter fly valve was stuck shut when I opened the box and on the lid of the box it said “NO WARRANTY WHATSOEVER”. I called Weber anyway and *****ed about the butterfly valve as I didn’t want to be the one that buggered up an expensive piece hardware.; finally after much debate and “Not My Problem” from the tech I was speaking too he agreed to check it out if I spent the $20 to ship it back to them, which I did. I later called again to find out what the status was only to have the guy tell me that he didn’t understand my problem as all he did was “whack it with a screw driver”. (Gee, why didn’t I want to WHACK a delicate internment and hope for the best?) The thing never did work right and I ended up with an expensive door stop

Cavite Emptor! In my experience they mean that warranty thing.

You bought this new?????
 
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