Tom the Peeper just won't go away!

[_(OIIIIO)_Jeeper]

I suggest shooting his butt. BUT, don't shoot low, shoot to kill. When I went through the concealed weapons course the instructor said if you shoot someone, no matter what the reason, and injure them they can sue your ass off....he said "dead men can't sue!"

 

[graewulf]

I suggest shooting his butt. BUT, don't shoot low, shoot to kill. When I went through the concealed weapons course the instructor said if you shoot someone, no matter what the reason, and injure them they can sue your booty off....he said "dead men can't sue!"

maybe not... but their families sure can..... it is legal to own a gun... it is illegal to shoot someone with it no matter what the reason. If you plan on shooting someone you better have one real good lawyer.

 

[LadyJeepFreak]

All my jeeper friends,

Thanks so much for these ideas. I didn't even know some of this technology was possible!

I will keep all of it in mind and research some. It's hard for me to spend too much $$ on this bastard because I already work two jobs to support the house and jeep and other bills. I have a line of always things I want to do or pay for on the side. I guess you already know I live alone so I'm it when it comes to money.

I do plan to call the police the next time I see evidence. I can't tell he's been here for the past week. I would think winter time would slow him down too.

The dog idea is one I've thought over greatly and am holding back on due to two reasons, landlord doesn't approve and as mentioned above, I work two jobs. I like to travel and am always gone somewhere when I'm not working. A dog would sorta be negelected. Someone would have to watch it constantly on my business and pleasure weekends and trips. I actually borowwed a friends dog for two days the week after this first happened. It was a big dog, boxer/pitt mix. It's my old dog actually, my ex lent it to me. He is a great watch dog but is an inside out dog and was so crammed in my little house. He and my cat fought 24/7 and gave me nothing but a headache. I did feel safer but more stressed at caring for a large dog.

I am seriously entertaining the moving idea but It would be a hard thing for me, again $$ and just the work of moving when I did it less than a year ago. I'd hate to do it because of someone else too.

Still holding back on the gun too. These camera ideas are great though. That's the biggest problem, even when I did call the cops three times they couldn't catch him cuz he was long gone. It takes 20 minutes for them to respond. The very first time was the time I saw him and yelled at him. I called 911 and was frantic so I know he knew then that I called. The police were out twice since then, other nights I suspected he was out there. One of them I left the house for the night while the police were here. They were really good about being serious and formal about checking my yard and stuff. The first time, they told me there were other reports of a peeper in my area.

So, thank you Jeepers for all this stuff to think about. I knew I could count on you all for ideas!

Lady

 

[TwistedCU]

blue gas light, blue battery light

it is legal to own a gun... it is illegal to shoot someone with it no matter what the reason.

This is simply not true. You can defend yourself with a firearm legally in many cases. Many states have right to carry laws (VA for instance), and they don't merely make those laws so you can feel like a big shot.

In Maryland you can legally use deadly force to defend yourself IN YOUR HOME. Just don't fire unless they are in your home and threatening you. Simple. The law is clear.

Hopefully more states will follow the slowly growing trend of re-enacting the right to carry law. The math is simple - crime rates plummet where the laws are implemented. Gun-advocate or gun-hater, the facts don't lie. Once a few stories of thieves, muggers, or rapists being shot by an armed citizen defending themself hits the papers criminals or potential criminals re-think their intentions. there will always be crime, but it would not be as out of hand as it is today if they were more armed law-abiding citizens out there.

Would a man even dream of peeping in Lady's house if he thought there was a strong possibility that on the other side of that window there is a 12 gauge shotgun to look back at him? Maybe he would, but I bet he wouldn't consider opening that door!

Restrictions for felons, etc would be an obvious neccesity for those laws.

In MD, you can obtain a right to carry permit but they are very seldom issued. I have a couple of friends who are business owners who carry large sums of cash and they both have gun permits. If they were to be robbed by someone with a weapon you can be sure that they will be within legal limits for using deadly force.

As for being sued, if someone enters my home to harm me, my wife, or any of my children, they will have hell to pay. If they are carrying a firearm, I'm shooting to kill. If they charged with a bat, a knife, or whatever, I'm going for the knee. I'll take my chances in a court of law 'cause I'm not going to kill someone for fear of a lawsuit.

Sorry Lady for the hi-jack but I had to respond to that.

 

[mingez]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

But I am all for shooting some bastard that enters my home.....twice. And I'm a liberal.:?

 

[TwistedCU]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

High percentage of gun owners or high percentage of gun owners with a LEGAL right to carry permit?

 

[90Xjay]

Also here in Texas, I think the defense "He needed a good clean killin'" will still hold up in court!


What I have done to people like this before is catch them in the act, in my case, snooping around under my carport at 4AM, kock em down, take their wallet at gunpoint and get their name, address, ssan, and any other info and after they knew that I knew where they lived it all stopped.

BTW, I do have a permit to carry here and the police were ok with what I did to stop the prowlers.

 

[mingez]

kock em down, take their walllet

You would do what to them??? :lol:

 

[mingez]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

High percentage of gun owners or high percentage of gun owners with a LEGAL right to carry permit?

What's the difference? Fact is, you break into a person's home in Oakland, you better have on some kevlar. But that knowledge still isn't enough of a deterrent.

--Don't get me wrong, I say blow the bastards away.

 

[90Xjay]

Sure did.

These two punk-lets had been stealing stereos and everything else in my neighorhood all summer. I had caught them up under my carport messing around my trucks and boat before but they ran away.
When I went out the back door, gun drawn, they finally were busted trying to steal my trolling motor.

I got their wallets and copied down their info and then gave them to the police. They were on my property at 4 am stealing from me, I felt I have the right to know who they are and where they live.

 

[90Xjay]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

I highly recommend the book "More guns, Less Crime" by author John R Lott, Jr- The University of Chicago Press ISBN 0 226 49363 6

It was written after research showed drops in gun crimes in states where Right to Carry laws were passsed. Very interesting stats

 

[83CJ701DakRT]

I have yet to get my conceiled(sp) handgun liscense, but the day I turned 21 I went out and got a Beretta 92FS. I keep it fully loaded and safety off in the night stand. I know it's not good to keep a mag loaded for any period of time, but who's going to have the time to load when someone is taking your stuff from you in your house. There isn't any kind of crime where I am, but when the time comes and someone is opening our bedroom door and the dog starts barking, not long after that, the bullets are going to fly. If you feel brave enough to come into my house and take from me what I've worked hard for, you better be prepared to pay for it one way or another.....Mikey

 

[MudderChuck]

If you ever find yourself in the position to use deadly force, best know the guidelines for your area. They change some, from state to state. I had the piece of mind to say, I was aiming at his houlder, got excited and missed and hit him and his partner in the brisket, by accident. Gee my hand was shaking so much, I missed his shoulder (or leg) and shot him in the breastbone.
Don´t forget to open a band aid and lay it over the wound, you have just administed first aid. Dial slowly and call the wrong number a few times, gives them time to bleed out before the police arrive. Get your story straight (and simple) with your witnesses (especialy if they weren´t there at the time).
Two guys came in to rob a place I was working at, weren´t wearing masks. Figured if they weren´t masked, they weren´t planning on witnesses. Didn´t give them a chance to say squat, popped them both. As a matter of fact, one bullet, two robbers, economical.
Funny if they had been wearing masks, I probably would have given them the cash, that´s what insurance is for. Not gonna end a life, for some non sense. Assault, arson or self defence is another story.

 

[mingez]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

I highly recommend the book "More guns, Less Crime" by author John R Lott, Jr- The University of Chicago Press ISBN 0 226 49363 6

It was written after research showed drops in gun crimes in states where Right to Carry laws were passsed. Very interesting stats

Alright, this thread has seriously been hijacked sorry...

but for the record, I'm not suggesting getting a gun for protection isn't a good idea. All I'm saying is that it isn't a sufficient deterrent because statistics show that the US is the country with both the highest percentage of gun ownership and violent crime. Auspicious to say the least.

As for Lott, there is a whole movement out there refuting his efforts. He's been a bit dishonest in his statistics and the delivery of them...
http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/cgi-bin/blog/guns/Lott/survey

BUT, I'm gonna go buy me a shot gun this weekend, going dove hunting and turkey camp starts up soon!!!! :wink: Yeah!!!

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

Jeep Wrangler YJ half doors steel door Green

Motion lights.

If you get a gun and are seriously trying to defend your life, you won't aim anywhere but center mass, your goal is to simply stop the threat. You don't shoot to wound, you shoot to stop the threat. If you take the step of firearm purchase, get as much training and enducation with it as possible.

But that is an extreme in this instance, and we all pray it doesn't come to that.

Another option would be the game cameras, the ones hunters use to photograph wild game out in the woods. They're simple and fairly inexpensive, but you won't know what they caught until the film's developed.

 

[Sparky-Watts]

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it is legal to own a gun... it is illegal to shoot someone with it no matter what the reason.

This is simply not true. You can defend yourself with a firearm legally in many cases. Many states have right to carry laws (VA for instance), and they don't merely make those laws so you can feel like a big shot.

In Maryland you can legally use deadly force to defend yourself IN YOUR HOME. Just don't fire unless they are in your home and threatening you. Simple. The law is clear.

Hopefully more states will follow the slowly growing trend of re-enacting the right to carry law. The math is simple - crime rates plummet where the laws are implemented. Gun-advocate or gun-hater, the facts don't lie. Once a few stories of thieves, muggers, or rapists being shot by an armed citizen defending themself hits the papers criminals or potential criminals re-think their intentions. there will always be crime, but it would not be as out of hand as it is today if they were more armed law-abiding citizens out there.

Would a man even dream of peeping in Lady's house if he thought there was a strong possibility that on the other side of that window there is a 12 gauge shotgun to look back at him? Maybe he would, but I bet he wouldn't consider opening that door!

Restrictions for felons, etc would be an obvious neccesity for those laws.

In MD, you can obtain a right to carry permit but they are very seldom issued. I have a couple of friends who are business owners who carry large sums of cash and they both have gun permits. If they were to be robbed by someone with a weapon you can be sure that they will be within legal limits for using deadly force.

As for being sued, if someone enters my home to harm me, my wife, or any of my children, they will have hell to pay. If they are carrying a firearm, I'm shooting to kill. If they charged with a bat, a knife, or whatever, I'm going for the knee. I'll take my chances in a court of law 'cause I'm not going to kill someone for fear of a lawsuit.

Sorry Lady for the hi-jack but I had to respond to that.

About 7 or 8 years ago, I shot and killed an intruder on my front porch. I only had to answer about 15 minutes of questions from the police because the guy died laying on top of his own gun. After convincing them of that, they turned him over, picked up his gun, turned to me and said, "Oh, well....that changes everything....have a nice evening." They cleaned up the blood splatters, hauled of the maggot, and that was the end of that.

If you don't intend to use a gun, then no, don't get one. At this point, I honestly think the best you can do is the video cameras. Also, get a friend or co-worker to stay with you until this freak is caught. Do not move!!! Never let someone else dictate your life for you!! If I didn't have a job, I'd be more than happy to come up there and help you nab the bastard. That's what Jeepers do for other Jeepers!

Good luck!

 

[redrooster]

Just put a note on each window that says "Next time I see your sorry ass it will be between my crosshairs!". He will know he is busted and also think that you are packing.

And to 83CJ7DA...., I hope you meant to say that you had a Beretta that you kept loaded with the safety ON. An unloaded gun is as usefull as a handful of rocks, but don't be stupid. Leave the safety ON.

 

[Inspector-Gadget]

Dear Lady,

If I might offer a suggestion: deterrence is your best peeper defense.

Go with motion/heat detection outside floodlighting. Failing that, you might try a set or two of those relatively inexpensive solar recharging battery-powered Chinese lanterns: the type of lantern often used for walkway nighttime illumination. They are better than nothing and easily stuck into the ground beneath your windows. The lanterns are also easily removed when the time comes for you to relocate.

The last thing with which you want to be involved is the use of a firearm. Not to be critical of anyone in particular, but there is some very "breezy" advice given above as regards the use of deadly force. Some of our Western and Southern friends might not realize that the use of a gun in self-defense tends to be a whole different ball game in the northeastern states. Combat gunplay is better left to sworn peace officers.

Does the name, "Bernhard Goetz" ring a bell for anyone? Trust me -- you don't want to repeat the history of that guy!

Also, for what it might be worth, a diluted form of Mace (sold as dog repellent) might be available at your nearest bicycle store. (That form of Mace might or might not be available/legal in Maryland.) Even the mail-persons carry it here.

A squirt of "dog repellent" into a peeper's peepers is usually considered appropriate, fair play and good form when dealing with a mangy cur, regardless of the number of legs.

Best regards,

Gadget

 

[laneiac]

I am pretty sure that the law in all 50 states is the same- If someone forcefully enters your home and intends to cause bodily harm, you may use whatever force necessary to defend yourself-including deadly force. Dont care if your from California or Maine, legally, you have the right to defend yourself. Now in Lady's situation-she could not just simply shoot the bastard as he is only outside, trespassing. But she can shoot him the minute he comes through that door or window. But the camera idea is a great one-get em on tape and nail him. Or he will see them and freak out. But if you do see him, call 911 and put an end to it.

 

[TwistedCU]

Just a note, Oakland Ca has a very high percentage of gun owners both legal and Illegal. Those firearms aren't detouring anyone. Albuquerque has a ton of guns as well, and even more crime.

High percentage of gun owners or high percentage of gun owners with a LEGAL right to carry permit?

What's the difference? Fact is, you break into a person's home in Oakland, you better have on some kevlar. But that knowledge still isn't enough of a deterrent.

--Don't get me wrong, I say blow the bastards away.

There is a big difference. That difference is a legally armed citizen has nothing to lose for defending him/herself.

Problem with Oakland is it has been lawless for too long. It would take years to take back areas like that. It would have to start with armed citizens in the surrounding areas.

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Redrooster - I hope I am never in that position, but good for you! Tou probably saved some innocent people's lives.