Well, back on topic.....there's one of those Ford Excursion stretch limo's in Wichita I see from time to time. It's got about 6 or 8 doors on each side, and racing flames on the hood. I'd love to see what kind of weld job they had to do to brace that long of a frame on a vehicle that heavy! I saw it the other day when I was helping an elderly man move his mules across the street after he had been asleep.