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http://www.coworkforce.com/uib/

HOW DO I KNOW IF I AM ENTITLED TO RECEIVE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BENEFITS?


Every person has the right to leave a job for any reason, but the circumstances of the separation will determine whether or not you will receive unemployment insurance benefits. Job separations from base period employers, as well as your last job separation, will be considered. A customer service representative will take your statement regarding the reason you are no longer employed for each of your employers. We will also contact each employer to obtain a statement on the reason for the separation. We will review both statements and issue a letter called a Form UIB-6, Notice of Decision, which advises you of your entitlement to unemployment insurance benefits from that employer.

Full Award: Generally, if you are out of work through no fault of your own, such as laid off due to lack of work, you are entitled to unemployment insurance benefits. If you were laid off due to lack of work, you may not receive a Form UIB-6.

Disqualification: If you are determined to be responsible for being unemployed, a disqualification may be imposed. Your unemployment insurance benefits may be postponed and/or reduced.

If you file an appeal, you must continue to file for payments via CUBLine in order to receive any retroactive unemployment insurance benefits should your appeal be successful.
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I don't know if you'd get paid from Colorado or New Mexico. I tend to think NM, since they are the once getting unemployment money from your employer. Call the number in that colorado link above and ask the people. Tell them your situation, and ask their input.

If you go for unemployment, I'm guessing it could be around $8,000 or so, so it's worth looking into
 

Getting fired for doing the right thing isn't a black-eye... at least to me. Does your school offer placement when you're done? If so, you may not need a reference from your current employer. Since they'll be in a different field, a reference from the school for your first couple jobs may be more appropriate. Plus, I'm sure you'll be upfront and honest with perspective employers, right? So, explain the situation and in most cases you'll be fine and the new employer will respect the integrity. Sure there are cases where that won't happen, but are you going to want to work for them anyway?

If you're truly feeling like you're slighting your current employees, that won't go away. You will be able to make the money back. Do what you think's right for your soul, not your pocket.

-X
 
okies i dont know if its the same down there as it is up here. but if you give them your 2 weeks notice and they discide to send you home imediatly then they still own you the 2 weeks. they are not allowed to do that. my daddy told me so.. and it happened to my friend and she got her full 2 weeks pay without having to work :)
 

unfortunately, being that they are an "At will" employer, I think unless they are doing so for illegal reasons ie Race, Religion, creed, sex etc, they can fire at will...so to speak.
 

So if they are renowned scumbags, don't give notice. Take your vacation starting when you plan on leaving. That way you can be sure you'll get your vacation pay.

As for unemployment, that is supposed to be for people who are laid off or who are unemployed through no fault of their own. You are planning on leaving no matter what, right? Don't abuse it or you will be part of a huge problem in our country. If you can live with that then go ahead, but I think it's wrong. To me it is no different than lying to receive welfare or disability benefits.

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By the way, most employers merely call previous employers to verify employment dates. Getting more involved than that opens up legal issues and is not worth the time or effort. If you find an employer is trashing you to block future employment then you have grounds for a defamation suit.
 
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TwistedCopper said:
As for unemployment, that is supposed to be for people who are laid off or who are unemployed through no fault of their own. You are planning on leaving no matter what, right? Don't abuse it or you will be part of a huge problem in our country. If you can live with that then go ahead, but I think it's wrong. To me it is no different than lying to receive welfare or disability benefits.
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I don't want to start an argument, but I fully disagree with this. Unemployment is set up to help people through the transition from one job to another, whether it is voluntary or involuntary, and also to aid people in getting a better education in order to get a better job. You pay for your unemployment insurance through your social security taxes, so you are not abusing the system by collecting it. Ian is leaving his job to get an education, and that is exactly what unemployment insurance is set up for, among other things. How can you equate what he is doing to lying? You should be ashamed of yourself. Actually, you should educate yourself on the subject a bit more before trying to label him as a thief. You crossed the line there, my friend.:evil:
 
antsinmypants said:
okies i dont know if its the same down there as it is up here. but if you give them your 2 weeks notice and they discide to send you home imediatly then they still own you the 2 weeks. they are not allowed to do that. my daddy told me so.. and it happened to my friend and she got her full 2 weeks pay without having to work :)
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Most states down here are "At Will" employment states, meaning that no contract exists between the employer and employee. In other words, an employer can terminate an employee at any time without notice or without reason. Same goes for an employee, they can quit at any time without notice or reason, with no ramifications from either side.
 

Good call. Even if I hadn't read that you plan on waiting 'till your last week that's would I would recommend. Worst case, I'd say give notice on your last day--as you pointed out, most employers could care less about you. However, if you can wait until some point where it really doesn't matter to you but before your last day (i.e. like in your last week) do it then.

Permanently walking out on an employer is strangely liberating. Have fun.


Ciao,
Ken
 
Special_K said:
Permanently walking out on an employer is strangely liberating. Have fun.
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I've done that a couple times. One time I was working for a concrete company. The bigshot was a complete D-head. He would trim everyone's hours, make them work in unsafe conditions, not give them breaks, many things. I told all of the other workers that I was quitting. Because he would do many things against me without telling me, I felt it would be unjust to tell him that I was leaving. One day, a large load of concrete was due to arrive for a hotel foundation. It was the fall season and there was terrible weather expected. The crew had been working 3 weeks, 12 hrs each day with only a 30 minute break each day. We were all way overworked. I told them that they would get their break that day. We were already short about 4 guys and I was a crutial worker that day. I called the lead-man at 5am and told him I was done working for the company. He went off on me. I told him that he had it coming and that he should reconsider the way he treats his workers.

Everyone else showed up for work that day. He ended up eating a delivery charge for the concrete because he had to send everyone home due to a lack of workers that day.

Everyone's always afraid to stand up against unfair employers. I have always been 100% for exercising the protection of what is fair. Every time I've stood up against an employer, I gained from it. Never once have I regretted standing up for what was right. In this particular case, all of my former co-workers got that day off with pay and started getting reasonable break periods. The company owner called me the next week asking if I'd come back to work.
 
Sparky-Watts said:
I don't want to start an argument, but I fully disagree with this. Unemployment is set up to help people through the transition from one job to another, whether it is voluntary or involuntary, and also to aid people in getting a better education in order to get a better job. You pay for your unemployment insurance through your social security taxes, so you are not abusing the system by collecting it. Ian is leaving his job to get an education, and that is exactly what unemployment insurance is set up for, among other things. How can you equate what he is doing to lying? You should be ashamed of yourself. Actually, you should educate yourself on the subject a bit more before trying to label him as a thief. You crossed the line there, my friend.:evil:
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For someone who doesn't want to jump in to an arguement, you sure don't act like it :roll: That post was ridiculous.

Food for thought straight from the Dept. of Labor (http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/uifactsheet.asp ) :

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In the majority of States, benefit funding is based solely on a tax imposed on employers.
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They pay into it and it does not come from our social security benefits ;)

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If your reason for separation from your last job is due to some reason other than a "lack of work" - a determination will be made about whether you are eligible for benefits.[/FONT]
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In other words... laid off. Yes there are excptions, but you find me a State that accepts leaving for college as one and I will be quite surprised.[/FONT]
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You must be determined to be unemployed through no fault of your own (determined under State law), and meet other eligibility requirments of State law.
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No fault of your own eliminates those who leave their employer voluntarily, at least that's the case in the State of Maryland, as I would suspect it is the case in the vast majority of the States.
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You Sir, are the one who needs to be a bit more educated about things before spouting off sheer baloney. Working union jobs for all these years, some spent as a steward, and some spent working out of hiring halls, I have a pretty good working knowledge of how unemployment bennies work. I am also pleased to say that I have been fortunate enough to never had to collect them. I am glad they are there though, because you never know what lies around the corner.

As for being ashamed, I am certainly not. As for saying anyone is either a liar or a theif, I didn't do that. I was making a point that it would be wrong.

Not that any of it matters because in the case described he would have been denied.

I was not insulting anyone. Mingez had sought info on the subject in the thread and I threw some out there. Please do not re-iterate my posts by adding intent, especially when you are habitually wrong in doing so (this ain't the first time, MY FRIEND)
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Whatever. I stand by my post and can back it with just as many quotes from the Dept of Labor. But I told you I wouldn't argue. I don't consider you a friend anymore.
 
Ladies, ladies.....calm down, no need to pull hair over this.:p

It's not there for people to collect simply because they choose to not work anymore. People who abuse it like that are the reasons that legitimate candidates sometimes have such a hard time collecting. It's also the same reason that alot of employers fight it in every case.
 

TwistedCopper said:
Are we twelve?
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That's exactly why. You can't make a mature comment, and must always try to make personal attacks when you've been called out.

FYI, I have quit two jobs to go back to school, and collected the full 6 months of unemployment insurance, which is taken from a portion of SS taxes in the state of Kansas.

Can you respond to that without making an ass of yourself? On second thought, don't bother responding, as I'm sure whatever you say will be right, in your closed minded view. (Yeah, that was an attack....figured you'd understand things better if I stooped to your level.)
 
Can someone lock this thread? I do not wish to read such hateful words and I'm sure some others here don't either. Obviously, it plans to continue.
 
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