North Korea Nukes

redrooster

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This is not looking too good. We are committed in Iraq with people and assets and have one sneaking through the backdoor in the meantime. I have a bad feeling about this one. First missile tests in July, now nuke tests.
I don't think it is a question of whether Kim Jong Il will use his nukes, more like when.
 

Thank you, William Jefferson Clinton. Your legacy continues to bless us.

What made him think giving them that technology was a good idea I'll never know.

No, it's not good, but our military being tied up in the Gulf and Afghanistan makes no difference. Defending this sort of thing requires a good intercept system like the SDI, the Navy having lots of well positioned ships, and quick retaliation. A ground battle in any part of Asia would be something we would want to avoid unless it was unavoidable.

We're in the same situation with China, but it is talked about alot less because of the economic ties with them and the political pressure that goes with that.

Personally, I doubt we would ever see a ground battle with them. They know we would have a good chance of losing that, but have nuclear capability to ensure it wouldn't happen. This is why they wanted it so badly. This is why we must do what we can (should have done much more) to thwart whatever progress we can - at least while we develop more capable defenses and stay ahead in the race.

Man, we just got through this kind of p!ssing match with the USSR a couple decades ago. Here we go again. The bad news is we beat the Soviets with our best weapon, a solid economy and free enterprise which flourished as we develped new technology and had huge contracts to build arms.

Now we our bolstering our opponent's economy (China) at an incredible rate while our manufacturing industries are stifled. But that's another subject isn't it...
 
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Yeah but can't congress just pass a law making it illegal for North Korea to try and kill us? [extreme sarcasm from 90Xjay]

I'm afraid that the same people who still deny the war the Radical Islam has waged on us, may also try to minimalize this threat.

Iran's president is a nut, Chavez is a nut and this guy in Korea needs a lead labotomy quick.

What happened to the good ole days when the CIA would just have someone like this knocked off?
 
SEND IN TEAM AMERICA MAN!!!!!!!!

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Maybe thats why he is so pizzed off at us,... hmmmm.
 

No, it's not good, but our military being tied up in the Gulf and Afghanistan makes no difference. Defending this sort of thing requires a good intercept system like the SDI, the Navy having lots of well positioned ships, and quick retaliation. A ground battle in any part of Asia would be something we would want to avoid unless it was unavoidable.
It gives them the perception that we are spread thin and that an opportunity exists.
IMO, economic sanctions won't be effective. We will buy time screwing with the UN while Rumsfeld regroups and N. Korea rapidly tries to outfit one of those missiles with a warhead. It's going to get interesting.
 
I'm not nearly as concerned about North Korean nukes coming our way ... remember, it was their long-range missle that fizzled. But the economic havoc and human toll that would result should that nutjob decide to launch against Japan or South Korea (who are in range) is staggering.

After listening to the experts, not the Liberal drivel we are subjected to, it will be some time before DRNK has warheads small enough to launch. But they could have the world's largest dirty bomb if they drive to one of their borders and touch one off while the prevailing wind is blowing away from them.

Remember too, these are neutron bombs ... maximum radiation with minimal damage. These are built for one reason.

Pray for our leaders, those in harms way and ESPECIALLY for those holding the buttons. It is never too late to wake up!
 
Thank you, William Jefferson Clinton. Your legacy continues to bless us.

What made him think giving them that technology was a good idea I'll never know.
And thank you George Wimpy Bush for thinking UN Sanctions are the way to stop a madman. Yeah, George, slap his wrists and tell him, "No NO!" That'll make him stop.:roll:

It doesn't matter who gave it to him, he'd have gotten the technology somewhere. Heck, give me 24 hours and I could have the technology from right here at my computer. What a cop out.
 

Now Now , Sparky we all know you cant have the technology in 24hrs from your computer to make nuclear weapons. If you feel the need to take up for Clinton and all his mistakes thats fine, but come on. Not sure how the whole deal will play out, but i am sure team america is the reason behind it all.
 
I'm not sure about 24 hours and the internet but sparky has a point. If they are really determined to get nuclear weapons they'll get them whether they have help or not. We're not the only country with smart scientists.
 
Point being that it takes years of R&D to come up with that stuff , I am sure. Giving them a big jump start is in no way a good idea.
 
Giving them a big jump start is in no way a good idea.
More like handing everything they needed over on a silver platter. President Clinton sold us out to be a good guy with the UN.

As for President Bush, him being an advocate for the UN and/or their shenanigans (AKA sanctions) is an interesting thought. I don't see that. Does anyone else?

Too bad John Kerry didn't win the election in '04. I'm sure he would have turned the whole thing around with his respect of the UN and their diplomacy :roll: :purple:

Redrooster, the UN has stifled us so many times and in so many ways. We need to get out of the UN. Everything they do seems to end up being counterproductive.

TWDJ you make an excellent point. There are far more countries in their range as well. That is a much bigger threat, albeit seemingly an indirect one, to us right now.
 
I'm not nearly as concerned about North Korean nukes coming our way ... remember, it was their long-range missle that fizzled. But the economic havoc and human toll that would result should that nutjob decide to launch against Japan or South Korea (who are in range) is staggering.

This is where I believe we will be screwed. We've already proven that we like going after weapons of mass destruction. Everyone knows we'll come to the aid of anyone that is threatened by an enemy ours. I don't think anyone in their right mind or otherwise would launch an attack directly at us. All they have to do is start dukin it out with a neighboring, less fortunate country and we'll come to the rescue. I hope for our childrens sake that all this amounts to is just another 50 year Cold War with N. Korea.
 
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Now Now , Sparky we all know you cant have the technology in 24hrs from your computer to make nuclear weapons. If you feel the need to take up for Clinton and all his mistakes thats fine, but come on. Not sure how the whole deal will play out, but i am sure team america is the reason behind it all.

Yeah, that was an exaggeration, but the point is still there; it's not so hard getting the plans for building a nuke. What is the hardest is getting the raw materials and the scientists that can do it without melting down the whole country. Back when I was in high school (before the days if the internet), two high school students from Upper New York had assembled everything they needed to build a working nuke except the actual fuel, just from doing research in public libraries on the subject. It's not that hard to get the info, so I don't think Clinton did them any favors, other than hurrying the process along. As far as the fuel, when you're a shifty government like Iraq, Iran, China, Russia, North Korea, USA, etc., getting it isn't very darn hard, either. Why did Bush wimp out here? He was all fired up to bomb Iraq because of their suspected WMD production, but he's known about North Korea's attempts and progress for much longer, and he just sits idly by while they actually detonate the thing!

I'll agree about the problem not being a direct strike on the US, but with it's economic and political allies, thus causing us to come in and get involved. We just should have been involved long ago.

So, to keep this topic interesting and moving in the right direction, lets stop with all the damn Bush/Clinton bashing and discuss the actual problem at hand. I can sit here all day and point fingers at Bush, and the rabid Repube-lickin's can do the same at Clinton and it will get us nowhere, just right back into a personal insult fest ending with someone telling someone else they are out in outer space.:lol:
 

Now Now , Sparky we all know you cant have the technology in 24hrs from your computer to make nuclear weapons.

Actually back in the early 70's ‘Sciences America’ published its monthly magazine with the title be your own neighborhood terrorist. It gave detailed plans on how to buy and built a ½ ton atomic bomb in your hall closet.

“The Terrorists hand book” (American publication) also describes on how to build a Atomic, Hydrogen, and a Neutron bomb include several different types of dirty bombs.

These publications are still out there and available to average person. They are no longer in publication by the way, but there still out there…

So if your dillegent enough YES the information is still out there.
 
a shifty government like Iraq, Iran, China, Russia, North Korea, USA, etc.,
Those dictatorships and communists that you grouped our free society democratic ELECTED govenrment with are by no means anything like our government.

As for Iraq, searching for WMD's (which some were in fact found) was part of the mission that was long overdue to carry out the UN's job in enforcing their restrictions on Iraq. We should have gone in the first time they did not comply with inspectors (back when President Clinton was in office). There's nothing wimpy about following through with the terms of the Desert Storm conflict.

Would you clarify what, exactly, Bush "wimped out" on? Are you suggesting we should have sent troops to North Korea?
 
Those dictatorships and communists that you grouped our free society democratic ELECTED govenrment with are by no means anything like our government.

Quite the contrary, we are very, very much like them in many ways.

As for Iraq, searching for WMD's (which some were in fact found)
Depending on your source, that is still up to debate as to whether any were actually found, but the general consensus is that none existed on a large scale. There were a few shells here and there left over from when he gassed the Kurds, but nothing new had been produced since that time, contrary to what Bush led the American people and the UN to believe.

Would you clarify what, exactly, Bush "wimped out" on? Are you suggesting we should have sent troops to North Korea?

Not necessarily troops, but a few well-placed cruise missiles would have gotten his attention and slowed the progress down. People act like the war in Iraq sat idle since Papa Bush turned tail and ran back in '91, but it hasn't. Our forces were bombing targets almost weekly for the first 4 or 5 years since then, and about once a month since that. Taking out scud sites, weapons facilities, shooting down their aircraft when they crossed the no-fly zone, frying members of the Elite Guard in their tanks when they crossed that imaginary line in the sand. Yes, this even happened under Clinton's leadership. So, yeah, we should have been employing some similar tactics with North Korea, too. There was much more actual evidence of their nuke program than there was of Saddam's WMD program (which ultimately turned out to be yet another lie, forged between #7 and #1600 to con the American public into believing in the need to kill our sons and daughters), and he sent troops there. Based on the true information, even taking all the false information about Saddam's WMD's into account, the situation in Korea is far more dire than the situation in Iraq when we invaded. He and his daddy have wimped out more times than I care to count. Though I didn't agree with many of his politics, Ron Reagan was so much better at dealing with aggressive countries than Clinton, Papa Bush and Baby Bush combined. He just had a little habit of selling arms to the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

No amount of UN Sanctions is going to deter Kim Jong Il from doing whatever he wants to do. That seems to be the main underlying problem with our government and the UN; they expect other countries to think and respond the way we would. It just doesn't work that way. North Korea is so far apart from the thinking of 90% of the UN that it would make your head spin. You can't impose your culture, your beliefs, your morals on someone whose soul desire is to rule their country however they see fit, even if it means taking out a few other countries along the way. But that's what the UN, and more specifically, the US is trying to do. You just can't expect to thump them on the noggin and tell them to quit. People like Kim Jong Il and North Korea in general merely laugh at the attempts to sanction them. That's more than evident since he went ahead with his nuke test. Didn't slow him down one little bit, did it?
 

Oh, and by the way, I thought you weren't going to respond to me directly anymore.......
 
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