new to it looking for advice

originalrider41

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I just got an 04 wrangler x a few weeks ago and im looking for some advice.

Been researching lift kits: looking for a 3-4" lift, should I go for a suspension lift or just a body lift?

Tires: looking for something that can go on the highway if it needs to but more for taking through the trails and through town, what should I get- size type?

Will any performance mods be worth installing?

Looking at the body armor, it seems it's more for looks than actual protection, other than skid plates are any worth getting?

Also if you have encountered any problems with this year jeep that you think I might encounter please let me know, I'm sixteen and got the jeep to take on job sites- surveyor engineer, need to get to the tough sites on top of mountain, you don't need life story.
Any help would be great thanks.
 

I would go with a 4" suspension lift. If you need another inch, then go with no more than an 1" on the body. 33" tires should get you around on the rocks and trails. Utah_Jeepster installed a really nice body armour on his Jeep, He knows more about that stuff than i do.. Performance stuff?, well that's a bowl of worms waiting to get stirred up. The Guys and Gal's here will be able to give you a lot of advice on that. I'm just a stock factory kinda guy.
 
For armor you might at least check out some solid nerf bars or sliders to protect the rockers. The rear quarters would be protected fairly well by a good rock bumper. You want it to extent all the way to the corners of the Jeep in case you come down hard onto something. Aside from acting like an excavator bucket, the stock skid isn't too bad. It's a little low but it does give OK protection to the transfer. I have an 05 X and have had no problems at all with it. It's been a great Jeep. Enjoy your Jeep and have fun;) Best of luck - John
 
I just got an 04 wrangler x a few weeks ago and im looking for some advice.
Been researching lift kits: looking for a 3-4" lift, should I go for a suspension lift or just a body lift?

Realize a body lift will only give you a bit more clearance for tires, which if you're running say, 29's now and go to 33's is only going to give you an additional 2" clearance under the differentials ((33-29)/2=2"), everything else stays the same. And you will find that most folks won't recommend a body lift of more than 1-1/2"-2" unless your building a mall cruiser.

I'd go with a 4-inch short arm suspension lift with a Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE) and Double Cardan rear drive shaft. That way you will avoid driveline vibration problems and the need to install a transfer case lowering kit. Instead you will be able to install a nice tight "tummy tucker" type of skid plate for additional ground clearance. This is going to cost you more initially but provide much more satisfaction in the long run. One thing to try and plan for is to do it right the first time and you won't be burning money by doing the same mods over and over until you get it right.

Tires: looking for something that can go on the highway if it needs to but more for taking through the trails and through town, what should I get- size type?

Many to choose from and lots of differing opinions as to what works best. However, I'd say look at something in a 33" Mud Terrain (M/T) as opposed to All Terrain (A/T). With the computerized tread designs and rubber compounds used today, most M/T's will give you more than satisfactory handling on the road and superior performance off road. The type of tread pattern you will be looking for depends a lot on the type of wheeling you will be doing. Basically we have rocks, sand and mud and variations thereof. Instead of me promoting what I like, I suggest finding Jeepers in your locality and ask what they run and have success with.

Will any performance mods be worth installing?

Weird subject for the 4.0. Due to the electronics on this engine it is really hard to get a lot of bang for the buck in performance increases. Opinions go all over the board here so my best advice is don't rush out and buy anything without really doing your homework first. Realize that on forums like this, most of us are not going to fess up to the fact that we wasted a wad of cash installing the latest wiz-bang gadgets. Instead we try and defend the purchase and justify why there must be a performance increase. Look for hard facts and figures first.

Looking at the body armor, it seems it's more for looks than actual protection, other than skid plates are any worth getting?

You can certainly build a tank that weighs a ton and gets squat for gas mileage but there are a few pieces of armor that can really save your rig.

1. Bumpers, front and rear
2. Rocker guards
3. Differential Skids, front and rear
4. Steering box skid plate
5. Lower Control Arm Mount Skids, front
6. Heavy Duty Tie-rod and Drag Link.

One area you have not mentioned that I would put before most of what we've talked about is Safety & Recovery. Before you really start spending money on any other part of your rig I would suggest investing in some basic safety and recovery equipment. The following list is the basic stuff that I have with me every time I venture off road. Depending on what kind and how serious my wheeling adventure will be, I may add another 3 or 4 pages of equipment and supplies. This is only the essentials and you should modify a list like this (modified from a magazine article) to suit your own needs:

Every Trip Stuff
ÿ Survival gear
ÿ First aid kit
ÿ Duct tape
ÿ Electrical tape
ÿ Zip-ties (variety of sizes)
ÿ Bailing wire
ÿ Ratchet straps
ÿ Aero Kroil
ÿ Brake cleaner
ÿ RTV silicone or gasket maker
ÿ Multi-tool pocket knife
ÿ Tow strap
ÿ Fire extinguisher
ÿ Flashlight or headlamp
ÿ Drinking water
ÿ Matches or lighter
ÿ Warm jacket
ÿ Folding shovel
ÿ Small socket set
ÿ 4-in-1 screwdriver
ÿ 4-in-1 Torx screwdriver
ÿ Channel Lock pliers
ÿ Large and small adjustable wrenches
ÿ Tire repair kit w/valve core tool and spare valve cores
ÿ Air pressure guage
ÿ Air hose and chuck (for OBA system)
ÿ Jumper cables
ÿ Mechanix Gloves
ÿ Clif Bars
ÿ Lug Wrench
ÿ Hi-Lift Jack
ÿ Shop rags or paper towels
ÿ Sunscreen

Also if you have encountered any problems with this year jeep that you think I might encounter please let me know, I'm sixteen and got the jeep to take on job sites- surveyor engineer, need to get to the tough sites on top of mountain, you don't need life story.
Any help would be great thanks.

My rig is an '03 so I can't help with known problems but my main recommendation is to stay on top of maintenance, spend a lot of time on top and underneath your rig looking, checking, tightening, lubricating stuff and really get to know your Jeep inside and out. Do this and your going to have a blast.

-Phil
 
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Thanks for all the help, il look into what everyone said.

Phil- thanks for the list, I already put a box of safety stuff and tools but didn't think of some of the stuff there. As for keeping after it, standard operating procedure, been taking care of boats, even ones not mine my whole life.

What's everyone think of the hi-lift jack, they seem pretty good but are they easy to use for winching or is it worth getting a come-along or even a full winch set up?
 
What's everyone think of the hi-lift jack, they seem pretty good but are they easy to use for winching or is it worth getting a come-along or even a full winch set up?

A high lift jack is always good to have granted that you know how to use it without hurting yourself or anyone around you. A hard monted bumper winch is the best thing to have on the trails for yourself and for your fellow trail riders. I have both and have used it numerous times. It's a good investment..
 
Hey, fellow surveyor!!!! Welcome to the "Z"!!!!! One piece of advice......never use the word "surveyor" and "engineer" in the same sentence! Totally different animals, as I'm sure you'll learn!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Good advice given here by all......really great people here. I would just like to add that your Jeep is VERY capable bone stock......best "off the showroom floor" 4X4 ever made IMHO. As was mentioned, recovery points are VERY important and relatively cheap initial upgrades. The high lift jack is a definite.........dangerous, if you're not careful, clumsy, and slow, but cheap and it'll get ya out of "stuck" if need be. Not pretty but effective. Next I would upgrade tires. Traction is critical. After that, you start spending TONS of money and there apparently is no end. I'm sure you've heard what "Jeep" stands for..............

JustEmptyEveryPocket!!!!!!
 

As for your hi-lift, it is one purchase that I have always done after lifting my rigs. If you look back in my posts I recently added a winch (high priced hood ornament IMHO) but have used my hi-lift to get me off several high centered situations, and one slide down an icy mountain.
Once lifted your factory jack is useless weight, since it will not lift a 33 inch tire off the ground. I am not sure where the cut off in tire size here is...31-32 ?
But a good working Hi-Lift is one tool you should never leave home without.

As for motor HP improvements in the 4.0, A better intake and exhaust are your cheapest improvements, after that a bigger throttle body then replacing the stock head/lifters and cam shaft. After that is stroking it.
I have seen blowers for the 4.0 but if your going to go that far, you might as well drop in a V8. I have only gone as far as intake and exhaust.

Body armor adds weight, but for the protection is gives its worth it. 75lbs for full rear corner guards, 35 for rocker knockers, and 100 for bumpers is well worth it.
 
ok, heres what im looking at so far.

1: order hi-lift jack
2: get some armor- not sure what im getting yet, just know its a good idea now, gonna look into it tonight.
3: Rubicon express budget spacer system- seems to have a good rep and will lift me enough to put 33's
4 Get 33's either m/t or a/t
 
On the Hi-lift, there are two different models per length, 48,56, and 60 inch, there about a 10$ difference, one is a cast steel and the other is rolled steel, the rolled steel ones hold up better outside of your jeep (bumper mount).

There are two places under your jeep that don't have armor, the steering box and oil pan, everything else has factory armor(not the best but it works).

The first body armor, look into getting a Rocker Knocker (covers the side, from the door down and under) Gen-Right, Smitty built...Quadratec is a good source for them.

Remember to add new shocks to your lift, even with a two inch lift you will need longer shocks.

Tires and rims? thats your choice...good luck and don't forget to take pictures along the way so we can live through your build as well.
 

Hey, fellow surveyor!!!! Welcome to the "Z"!!!!! One piece of advice......never use the word "surveyor" and "engineer" in the same sentence! Totally different animals, as I'm sure you'll learn!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Good advice given here by all......really great people here. I would just like to add that your Jeep is VERY capable bone stock......best "off the showroom floor" 4X4 ever made IMHO. As was mentioned, recovery points are VERY important and relatively cheap initial upgrades. The high lift jack is a definite.........dangerous, if you're not careful, clumsy, and slow, but cheap and it'll get ya out of "stuck" if need be. Not pretty but effective. Next I would upgrade tires. Traction is critical. After that, you start spending TONS of money and there apparently is no end. I'm sure you've heard what "Jeep" stands for..............

JustEmptyEveryPocket!!!!!!

I agree mud. best off showroom 4x4 ever! Before last week i would have said 66-77 Bronco but got a 2000 TJ last week that has really changed my mind!
 
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