Grand Cherokee Won't Start

baggman

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When I try to start my jeep, engine just turns. Was nothing wrong with it when I parked it last night. This morning I put a thermostat in and when I tried to start it, all I got is the engine turning. Also noticed that the low on fuel indicator on the dash cluster comes on and the overhead display will only show the outside temperature. All the other characters on the overhead are showing little dash marks. The alarm on indicator doesn't blink; usually, if I arm the alarm with a door open, the locks will lock and when the door is closed the horn will signal (one beep). Now with the door open and I arm the system the horn signals. Checked fuses and relays as I don't notice the fuel pump sound when I turn onthe ignition (new pump installed maybe 30 days ago).
Any body ever heard of this type of problem? I welcome all suggestions/advice.......
 

Just a few guesses, you somehow crushed a wire and/or caused a short in the sensor system. Most of the sensors are five volt input, if one is shorted it can daisy chain and cause other failures. One tip off in the XJ, is when the check engine light fails to light when you first turn the key to run (before start), kind of a check lamp function that craps out when the sensor circuit is shorted someplace, likley the same or similiar in the Grand.
Coolant is a much better conductor than water, spewing coolant all over can't be good. When this happens I wash everything down with really hot water and flush as much of the coolant away from critical elements as possible. Coolant on an alternator can cause grief, where water rarely hurts it much. Coolant soaked electrical shorts much easier than plain water.
 
Just a few guesses, you somehow crushed a wire and/or caused a short in the sensor system. Most of the sensors are five volt input, if one is shorted it can daisy chain and cause other failures. One tip off in the XJ, is when the check engine light fails to light when you first turn the key to run (before start), kind of a check lamp function that craps out when the sensor circuit is shorted someplace, likley the same or similiar in the Grand.
Coolant is a much better conductor than water, spewing coolant all over can't be good. When this happens I wash everything down with really hot water and flush as much of the coolant away from critical elements as possible. Coolant on an alternator can cause grief, where water rarely hurts it much. Coolant soaked electrical shorts much easier than plain water.

Never crossed my mind. Quite the possibillity as I sought to make the minor task a quick one and didn't remove the alternator - just freed it from it's bracket and and cleared it out of the way. Maybe I've broken a wire some how......
Now begins the task of tracking it down. You may also be right about the check engine light. Will also pay attention as I turn on the ignition switch to see if it shows up or not. Don't think it was coolant, though. drained the block prior to removing thermostat housing and didn't get much spill.
Hope this will resolve the problem; however, if any one thinks there may be something else to consider please feel free to mention.
Thanks, MudderChuck, for the valued tip and the quick reply.
 
Make sure that the battery wires are ok and the terminals are clean too.If you have a liquid battery pop the covers off and make sure the water level is up. Wear eye protection is you do this.
 

Thanks, for the response, Tony. I checked the battery connections and they are dry and tight. Still trying to trace the wiring for a possible break as MudderChuck suggested. No luck so far.....
 
MudderChuck - Did as you advised and checked to see if in fact the check engine light came on when I turn on ignition..... all lamps in the dash cluster come on and after about 3 seconds they all go out.The check engine lamp didn't show up at all. The low fuel lamp came on with the other lamps, went out, and then came back on. Since the alarm system chirps the horn with the door still still open I got curious and got inside, armed the system(no blinking red light on the dash),and then I opened the door which should've set off the alarm but nothing happened. Any idea where the alarm module might be found? Was told that it can also shut down the fuel pump....
 
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I'm kind f out of my element with the Grand, most of my experience is with the XJ. But some (likely much) of the system is basically the same with minor differences (OBD I and OBD II).
I've had my alarm system shut down the ASD relay before and even had it partially work. The ASD function was a sometimes thing (it didn't work, it did work and it kind of worked but very poorly, engine ran like crap).
But I also had a short in the CPS (which was actually on the non test side of the CPS and the ground, which wouldn't show up on a normal CPS ohm test, drove me nuts). I finally caught on when I did a simple volt test in the 5 volt supply circuit (for various sensors) at the sync sensor, noticed low voltage and then traced it to the CPS (but it likely could have been a short anyplace in the system causing the same symptoms).
Since you mentioned doing the thermostat, the first place I'd look is the temperature sensor. Inspect the wiring, do an ohm test. Then I'd look at any harness or wires in the area. I use a flashlight, even in daylight, it helps focus my vision and aids in inspection. Not sure about the grand, but on the XJ the hrness that goes down the front of the block is a known trouble spot, it gets real close to the exhaust manifold. A little nudge can can cause it to move enough to cook.

IATony gave a good piece of advice, *grounds*, simple but important. A ground wire gets cut, makes poor contact or the nut is loose. I've had a lot of grond issues in my XJ's, likely the same in the Grand. Check the block ground and the engine to firewall and/or front clip ground (at the very least). A good ground diagram would be helpfull, there are likely a dozen grounds, all together in the engine bay, near the dash or on the firewall (all of them important).
I have both a plethora of PDF material I've collected over the years, Alldata and FSM's on my XJ's. You really do need some sort of reference material to troubleshoot effectively.

I've found shaking a harness will sometimes show up ground faults, on grounds that appear good and even test good with an ohm meter.

I'd hate to send you down the wrong path and waste time, but all I can really do is help you play the percentages some and share some experiences.

I'm pretty sure the check engine light should come on (bulb check) when the key is turned to the run position. If you have the digital dash, chances are you can do a trouble code check, I'm not exactly sure of the method for the Grand. If you have the analog dash, not much chance of getting any codes (especially since your check engine light isn't working and your likely OBD II anyway). Many of the chain parts stores have code readers (though they can be far from definitive), that may steer you in a fruitful direction.
 

I'm kind f out of my element with the Grand, most of my experience is with the XJ. But some (likely much) of the system is basically the same with minor differences (OBD I and OBD II).
I've had my alarm system shut down the ASD relay before and even had it partially work. The ASD function was a sometimes thing (it didn't work, it did work and it kind of worked but very poorly, engine ran like crap).
But I also had a short in the CPS (which was actually on the non test side of the CPS and the ground, which wouldn't show up on a normal CPS ohm test, drove me nuts). I finally caught on when I did a simple volt test in the 5 volt supply circuit (for various sensors) at the sync sensor, noticed low voltage and then traced it to the CPS (but it likely could have been a short anyplace in the system causing the same symptoms).
Since you mentioned doing the thermostat, the first place I'd look is the temperature sensor. Inspect the wiring, do an ohm test. Then I'd look at any harness or wires in the area. I use a flashlight, even in daylight, it helps focus my vision and aids in inspection. Not sure about the grand, but on the XJ the hrness that goes down the front of the block is a known trouble spot, it gets real close to the exhaust manifold. A little nudge can can cause it to move enough to cook.

IATony gave a good piece of advice, *grounds*, simple but important. A ground wire gets cut, makes poor contact or the nut is loose. I've had a lot of grond issues in my XJ's, likely the same in the Grand. Check the block ground and the engine to firewall and/or front clip ground (at the very least). A good ground diagram would be helpfull, there are likely a dozen grounds, all together in the engine bay, near the dash or on the firewall (all of them important).
I have both a plethora of PDF material I've collected over the years, Alldata and FSM's on my XJ's. You really do need some sort of reference material to troubleshoot effectively.

I've found shaking a harness will sometimes show up ground faults, on grounds that appear good and even test good with an ohm meter.

I'd hate to send you down the wrong path and waste time, but all I can really do is help you play the percentages some and share some experiences.

I'm pretty sure the check engine light should come on (bulb check) when the key is turned to the run position. If you have the digital dash, chances are you can do a trouble code check, I'm not exactly sure of the method for the Grand. If you have the analog dash, not much chance of getting any codes (especially since your check engine light isn't working and your likely OBD II anyway). Many of the chain parts stores have code readers (though they can be far from definitive), that may steer you in a fruitful direction.

I don't consider it as going down the wrong path. Look, you thought you could help and you were good enough to pass on a few pointers from what you have encountered. lots of people dodn't even go that far...
besides, I followed your lead and checked for bad grounds and breaks in the wires. Then I found what appeared to be a bad/failty coolanttemp sensor and replaced it. Next, I re-read what you posted about the crankshaft position sensor, began checking all the sensors(after swapping around the relays), and found that the cps had a slight crack in it. I replaced it and everything got back to normal operation(never thought I'd be glad to see the check engine light) So how's that for the wrong path?
Thanks a lot..and I mean it.
 
Glad it worked for you. I've had Jeeps frustrate the heck out of me on numerous occasions. The dogmatic approach usually wins out in the end.
 
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