johnny7point0 said:
About toxic turtle: Its just wrong to place ads on a message board (and thats what his "message" was.) Is there anyway we can delete that message? I'm insulted and offended.
He can try and pass himself off as someone who is just offering us environmental friendly (and legal) places to offroad, but the bottom line is that he wants us to join his $40 a year club.
My response: No thanks...I like doing it underground. :twisted:
First off.... I could care less if you join any club or not. What I REALLY care about is what "doing it underground" does to
my rights to 4 wheel on open public property and what it does to the efforts being done by quite a few
responsible 4WD enthusiasts throughout New England. Every time anyone goes wheeling in a place that is closed or open only to quads and mx bikes, or on construction sites or on private property withOUT permission, you make those of us working to keep OUR lands open that much harder, you make getting private property open to organized clubs that much harder. You might say.. "well, we've never been caught" Every time you take your Jeep off pavement, it leaves tire tracks. If truck tire tracks aren't supposed to be there then, there is evidence of someone obviously doing what is "wrong" or illegal. Then, when someone from Baystate Jeepers (you know... the organized club that is taking your money to attend the Jeep Rally) tries to get a landowner in eastern MA to open up some land to organized wheeling, they may think twice or not at all because "4WD truck drivers are irresponsible, lawbreaking, kids; don't want em on my land...."
I'm not trying to sell club dues... I AM trying to sell the idea of responsible off highway driving and unless you have specific permission from those landowners whose land you are wheeling on, or know for sure that an area is open, public property, you are not responsible.
So, as sure as I saw your posts, there are "green lurkers" on these boards as well. Don't even think that they aren't using stuff said here against us. The states have people monitoring 4 wd sites... do they check them every day... I doubt it, maybe a couple times a month if they're lucky... BUT... they're still trying to keep an eye on things. I have been working in 4WD land use related areas for over 15 years and so have many of the other regional association board members... That includes clubs like... Patriot Jeepers, Long Island Off Road, Eastern 4 Wheelers, New England 4 Wheelers, Baystate Jeepers, JonFund, Deep Woods Extreme, Vermont Expedition Society,NEOW, Hudson Valley 4WD, NEA4WDC, EC4WDA, etc. Those folks don't like they're work being scrapped either just because someone can't understand the need for organized 4x4 clubs or someone who thinks that promoting organized 4WD recreation is an insult and needs to be deleted... so what if you don't care about getting a $70 tresspassing ticket... maybe there are others who read this who do care and they KNOW the importance of organized 4WD recreation.
Whatever path you choose, know that you aren't alone and that after a few tresspassing tickets and those misdemeanors on your record, you might change your tune.
For those who see that I am not some magic potion salesman, please don't hesitate to pose any questions in a mature fashion. Afterall, if you get ticketed with someone who doesn't care... ask them if they'll pay your ticket too.
For those who think that maybe I am a snake charmer trying to get your cash don't visit any sites I'm related to, try
www.off-road.com or
www.rockcrawler.com and check out their land use pages... You might see what I'm talking about.
Till next time......
I in no means mean to steal this thread, if better to take to another new one by all means, let me know ASAP.
