We need a law to clarify the "Law"

[90Xjay]

No offense meant to the police officers here, but after reading this story, it got under my skin just a little how the lady was treated after giving a guy what he needed and deserved.





Arlington Woman Testifies on Bill Giving Texans More Self-Defense Rights


(Austin, TX) -- The Arlington woman who came to be called the Pistol-Packing Granny took her story to Austin for legislative hearings yesterday. In 2005, Susan Buxton made the national news when -- at the age of 66 -- she shot a young intruder who was hiding out in her home, in the middle of the night, after running from police. Yesterday, she appeared before a Texas House committee hearing testimony on a bill that would make it clear that Texans have the right to shoot intruders with no duty to first retreat, if possible. Buxton told the lawmakers that -- even though she wounded the invader inside her own home -- she felt as though police had questioned her like a criminal, even to the point that they confiscated her handgun and read her the standard list of constitutional rights.

 

[B192734]

That's ridiculuos. whoa to the fugitive trying to hide in my house in the middle of the night. protection of the family comes first.

 

[TwistedCU]

Here in PA they have very liberal right to carry laws. Basically if you don't have a criminal record of a "disqualifying crime" then you get approved. As a matter of fact I will be getting a permit soon.

They also have very strict rules about actually using a legally concealed weopon. It is my understanding, although I have not yet fully studied the laws pertaining to the permit, that you can only defend yourself if there is no other alternative and you are in immediate danger of bodily harm. You cannot, for instance, deter someone who may be robbing or harming someone else.

Again, I have a lot to learn about PA law before I get mine, but it seems strange to me that I could not legally fend off a perpetrator who is trying to abduct a child or sexually assault a woman. It would not only be the natural thing to do, but I would feel it to be my responsibility... armed or not.

 

[OutOfStep]

You can always render aid, you just can't always shoot them. Combat Handguns always has an awesome section devoted to shoot/no shoot situations the case law involved and the ramifications for the victim(s). Some of the stories are stunning, one of the scenarios from awhile back had a criminal that fired on a cop, his partner returned fire and downed the criminal and then went to check on his by then dead partner, then returning to the other end of the scene the criminal went for his gun and the cop responded in the way you would expect. He received a lengthy prison sentence because the jury believed it was a retaliation shooting for his partner, seems like it was 13 years. I highly recommend it the magazine, tons of good articles

 

[dropseys]

Its dumb how the laws are written. Criminals have MORE rights than law abiding citizens. Like the criminal who broke into a pawn shop and was severly ripped up by the owners Dobie, sued and one a HUGE settlement form the court. Why should he have any rights when he is in the process of violating someone elses.

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

Sounds to me like confiscation of the firearm and reading her rights was just the police covering all the bases, just the basics of an investigation of which they don't know where it'll lead.

Had they obtained a statement illegally, they would be screaming from the highest hills that her rights were violated. Another lose/lose for the popo for trying to do a job by the books.

 

[OutOfStep]

Exactly, though you've got to ask yourself how can breaking into a pawn shop ever work out well :lol: the owners are always packing, they're always alarmed/video'd, and they nearly always have dogs. And so big deal you make it in, then you get to steal used crap that smells like a pawn shop :lol: sounds to me like its a job for a criminal with a long history of aiming really low in life. The only retail theft that is lower is ripping off a thrift store for a couple pairs of some dead guy's pants

 

[OutOfStep]

Oh and on a related note, they're at it again
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

 

[90Xjay]

Sounds to me like confiscation of the firearm and reading her rights was just the police covering all the bases, just the basics of an investigation of which they don't know where it'll lead.

Had they obtained a statement illegally, they would be screaming from the highest hills that her rights were violated. Another lose/lose for the popo for trying to do a job by the books.

If the cops were trying to do it "by the books" and questioned her like the criminal, then the books need to be changed.

I realize that the police must use CYA tactics, but if they were in fact following official procedure and that procedure was based on how the laws are written, then the laws needed clarified IMO.


The laws regarding personal bodily and property protection are very liberal concerning the property owner. For instance, according to the penal code here in Texas you are still authorized to use deadly force, after dark, to stop a intruder from fleeing with your stolen items.

I fired 3 rounds at a guy about 10 years ago who ran from me when I caught him stealing stuff under my carport, I was only briefly questioned and that was all.

 

[TwistedCU]

Oh and on a related note, they're at it again
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

Wait 'till you get a load of the proposed "assault weapon ban" they're trying to pass in Maryland. It has nothing to do with assault weapons, it basically outlaws all semi-automatic guns, including pistols. It is written to include "semi-automatic weapons with a screw-in type barrel". Well that's your Sig... and just about any other semi-auto out there. It's basically an all-out gun ban with wording to mislead voters.

Chalk up one more reason to be glad I moved from that socialist state that I like to call "The People's Republic of MD".

THis reminds me... I need some advice on handguns. Anybody with knowledge please see the thread I'm about to start.

 

[dropseys]

you know, reading that article says she felt like she was. Anytime i read someone their rights, always do to CYA because sometimes victims can become suspects. Just reading that people assume they are under arrest. I think thats what she meant. "They took my gun and mirandized me and questioned me." That would make me feel like a criminal. You can't assume that everyone out there who shoots someone is trustworthy when they say, he broke in my house and I feared for life. Things could be setup so the police have no coice but to do a thorough investigation. Know what happens if we shoot someone on the job? Same thing. My friend was shot at he shot back and hit the guy in the hand. His gun was taken, and was put out of work for a week and a half, questioned out the bung hole, and finally reinstated as an officer. Why a week and a half when they had 4 civilian witnesses that gave the same accounting of his story? Because we have to make sure there was no crime.

 

[Utah_jeepster]

First off those that don't like the bill...join the NRA. Its the only national lobbing organization that defends your right to arm bears with Uzis...sorry had to throw that in.

It looks like the congress isn't happy that Bush let the assault ban die (thank you Prez Bush the only thing you have done right lately)

So buy them now boys and girls so you can sell them later when the ban is in place.

 

[Laph]

I love how they are pin everything on assault rifles, when crimes committed with an assault rifle are used about 0.2% of the time and only account for 1.7% of th e total gun population of the us. Also assault rifles are not as powerful as a hunting rifle, Example Ar-15 .223 Vs a .30 cal, most places u can't even use a rifle with .223 because It usually only wounds a deer, to let it run off and die some where else unlike a .30 cal that will drop the deer right on the spot. Oh and also only about 2-3.5% of mas murders are committed with Assault rifles. Just though would through out some stats I must be in NRA or something...

 

[dropseys]

You know what else? They are making more laws for us law abiding people. Criminals don't register their fire arms, hell if they aren't stolen, they just etch the serial number right off. I would like to see the stats for murders committed with any firearm that was done by someone who legally owned one? What maybe a couple of dozen? Probably no more than adding thos committed with steak knives, cars, etc. I hate gun laws because they don't work against criminals, only against us.

 

[Laph]

... I hate gun laws because they don't work against criminals, only against us.

I agree 100%

 

[90Xjay]

the bigger picture here on gun control is the United Nations.

The UN does not want any member nations to allow private gun ownership. Someday, maybe we will have a president and congress who will agree with them and then comes the beginning of the end.
Globally we are headed towards a police state.

Some areas have already tested the waters of taking firearms from citizens.
Look at New Orleans after the hurricane. The local officials ordered all firearms confiscated.
Ray "School Bus" Nagin gave the order and it was being carried out.

""No one is allowed to be armed. We're going to take all the guns," says P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of New Orleans police.

You say it can't happen here, ask someone from Great Britain or Australia.

 

[Green97TJ]

the bigger picture here on gun control is the United Nations.

The UN does not want any member nations to allow private gun ownership. Someday, maybe we will have a president and congress who will agree with them and then comes the beginning of the end.
Globally we are headed towards a police state.

Some areas have already tested the waters of taking firearms from citizens.
Look at New Orleans after the hurricane. The local officials ordered all firearms confiscated.
Ray "School Bus" Nagin gave the order and it was being carried out.

""No one is allowed to be armed. We're going to take all the guns," says P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of New Orleans police.

You say it can't happen here, ask someone from Great Britain or Australia.

I agree with you, and the worst thing we can do is think it wont happen. But the good news in what you said is look at what the NRA is doing to New Orleans officials right now. That idiot mayor even recently got charged with contempt of court for delaying the process of getting guns back to their owners. Many states either have or are in the process of passing laws to prevent another New Orleans type confiscation.

 

[TwistedCU]

The UN does not want any member nations to allow private gun ownership. Someday, maybe we will have a president and congress who will agree with them and then comes the beginning of the end.

You mean like Hillary Clinton? Funny thing, her hubby expressed a desire to become secretary general of the UN in 2001. It didn't happen, but ff Mrs. Clinton were to get back in the White House (this time the pants-wearer) then I would suspect he will again make an effort to what he described as his "dream job".

If that were to happen it would only make sense that Hillary would go out of her way to appease the UN.

How's that for incentive to get out the vote?!?!?!

 

[90Xjay]

You mean like Hillary Clinton? Funny thing, her hubby expressed a desire to become secretary general of the UN in 2001. It didn't happen, but ff Mrs. Clinton were to get back in the White House (this time the pants-wearer) then I would suspect he will again make an effort to what he described as his "dream job".

If that were to happen it would only make sense that Hillary would go out of her way to appease the UN.

How's that for incentive to get out the vote?!?!?!

[average american]

"hhhmmmm.... (yawn).... honey... lets better get down to Block Buster and pick up enough movies to get us through the weekend so we won't have to think about anything"
When's the rasslin' come on?
ahhite then..."

 

[1989hog]

Hillary, now theres a waste of time