Restoring my 78 Cj 7

bpayne7844

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I am looking for some suggestions on what to do with my Cj. I like running trails and mudding, but have yet to be climbing yet. It is completely stock other than I pulled the body off. It has d20 and 30. So I am kinda in a rock and a hard place as to what motor to go with, axels, ect... I am new at this and would be gracious to hear what the more expierenced wheelers have to say. Thanks Brent
 

if you looking to restore it, I would put it back to stock and have a cool clean cruiser and go look for a older YJ to beat on.

The only upgrade over stock I would perform is 1 piece rear shafts, other than that, just as the factory made it.
 
Well I prolly shouldnt have said restore. I am completely up in the air as to what i wanna do. It was a $900 jeep that I want to do something with and thought about making a trail jeep out of. Just kinda wondering what would be necessary if i was to make it a good trail/mud jeep? Thanks for the reply
 
What motor is in it?

If you want a to run it in the trails your ready to go as is.

If you want to do bigger trails..a lift and tires should do you fine..Depending on how big you go will detrmine what else needs to be done..Gears stronger rears..possible v8 if you dont have one all ready.
 

Other than ”what” you want to do with the jeep the most important question may be who much money do you want to spend? Jeep parts are like gold and you don’t get much back when you go to sell the jeep down the line. (Personally I can’t think of a “good” reason, although I know there are “have to” reasons, to sell this jeep, short of it being a total piece of crap, but that’s me.)


I agree first and foremost is to add the one piece axel shafts at the AMC 20 rear end or come up with a Dana 44 to swap it out, The original shafts in the AMC 20 are two piece system, the shafts and a hub that is held on with a big nut. What happens is the nut will loosen up a little and allow the hub to spin leaving you beached right where you stand, and that can even happen in a parking lot, let alone the trail.


Unless you feel the need to go hard core, what I did with my 1978 CJ5 was to keep it mild. The guy I got the jeep from started the upgrades alone those lines so it was a good purchase for me. I’m not going to take on the big rocks or ledges, just don’t have the desire but I do live in mud and sand country.

CJs are tippy and 2 1/2 “ of lift is max to me. Some go more and it works for them but unless you plan on using wider axels I won’t do it. I have stock width axels, 2-1/2” of lift with about 32”-33” (metric) of 9-1/2” wide tire. The narrow tire helps with tire rub but still works well with mud.

To me a large part of the fun is the search for the parts you want. It took me a long time to find it all, but not much of the drive train is original on my CJ however it is ALL jeep (except for the x-case) and uses no adaptors. I like to keep a jeep, jeep; no Chevy 350s etc. Not that I have anything against the 350, it’s just not jeep. My CJ5 came stock with an AMC 304, a T150 transmission, a Dana 20 x-case, Dana 30 front end, and a AMC 20 rear end. I have traded the motor for an AMC 401, the transmission for a CJ T18, the x-case for a 1980 Scout Dana 300, and the rear end for a Dana 44 from a 1972 Commando, all direct bolt in, again with not adaptors. Only the Dana 30 front end remains stock but I plan on beefing up the axel shafts on that someday too.


So back to the original question, How big is the piggy?
 
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I agree with a lot of what Saddle Tramp said, with CJ's it's all about how much money you want to put into it and what you want to do with it. I have owned 4 CJ-7's, a CJ-5, as well as a whole slew of other 4x4's. My CJ's were from mild to wild that included, SBC swaps, 1-ton axle swaps, waggy D44 axle swaps, 4/3 link setups,and stretched wheelbases. For CJ-7's I will list the popular swaps:

Common V8 Engine options: Chevy 305/350 (engine swap kits are getting cheaper and cheaper and you have alot of transmission/transfer case options), Ford 302 (not as common and you have to swap your front axle over to driver's drop), or stick with a AMC 304 or 360 (came in some CJ's and the 360's out of FSJ Wagoneer's could be found for cheap)

Common Trannies and Transfer Cases options: pick any of the motors above and you can find good combos to mate behind them. With the Chevy, you get good results with the TH350 or 400 auto and can run a doubler with the 203/205 transfer cases (makes for a really short rear driveshaft though, not gonna happen in a CJ5). I have always liked using a TF727 auto out of a Wagoneer (get above motor and trans out of the same truck) because you can mate a Dana 300 right to the back of them.

Common Axle Swap options: If you want to keep it mild and you have a early CJ7 with the narrow-trac axles (51" wms to wms), swap to later wide-trac axles (56" wms to wms). If you can, find an 86' that came with the D44 rear. If you want to go a little wider, but not full-width axles, try the D44's out of a Wagoneer (about 59-60" wms to wms), front has to be out of a 74' to 79' to be pass drop. Later Waggy's had a driver's drop front axles. You could also go with Scout D44's (60" wms to wms), keep in mind if you use the front axle, they came with 0 degrees of caster (CJ's had about 5-6 degrees) so they will have to have the C's cut and turned or it will be all over the road. Lastly, if you want go full-width you can use full size Chevy 3/4 or 1-ton axles, such as the D60 front and Corp 14BFF rear (65" wms to wms)

Common Suspension setups: pick your poison, SOA, SPUA, swap to wider longer YJ spring packs, etc. If you use the YJ packs, be sure to find a good set, preferably a 5 or 6 leaf pack and install a traction bar or you will have some axle wrap. Also, if you wanted to stretch the wheelbase a little in the rear, you can use XJ stock leafs, should net you about 1-1.5" lift, so if you do that, compliment it with a set of 1.5" YJ springs up front like the RE 1.5" SOA leafs. Also note, if you use the XJ rear leafs, you will have to relocate your fuel tank or your will have contact with the axle. Most put a fuel cell in the back or behind the rear seat.

Keep in mind, short of the wide-trac axle swap or anything that came in a Jeep CJ, most of the above will require lot's of time, fabrication, or money to buy the already-made kits/adapters to do these swaps. Also, above does not include the modifications to drivelines, steering, modified shock mounts, etc. that will be needed to do it right.

Those listed above are by no means all the swaps that can be done and are only the more common ones. It all comes down to what you want to do with your CJ. I have just recently started over to build a more family friendly weekend off-road rig. My setup came with a 304 V8/AMC Th400 auto/Quadra-Trac transfer case and narrow-trac axles. It's in the process of getting torn down to swap in a TF727 auto/Dana 300/ and either wide-trac D30/44 or Waggy D44's. It currently has a 4" SPUA lift and 33's, but will get YJ stock leafs setup SOA and some 35-36's. Like most, I would suggest wheeling it and modding it as you go to make it work for what trails you run and you learn a lot along the way about the strengths/weaknesses of your Jeep without overkilling it and spending way to much money if it's not neccessary. Just my 2 cents;)

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This is how my 78' CJ7 sits right now with 4" SPUA, 33's
 
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"Ford 302 (not as common and you have to swap your front axle over to driver's drop"--302's are all to common of a swap and you do not have to switch to a drivers side drop axle. The 302 is practically a bolt in motor. the only specialty parts you will need are some motor mounts. Ford bellhousings will bolt directly to your Jeeps existing transmission. you can use a regular Ford clutch plate/flywheel but you need to use the clutch disc from a chevy. Radiator from a 304 equipped Jeep has the hose locations in the proper location for a 302 as well. 100 lbs lighter than a 350, skinnier than a 350 which makes doing the exhaust fairly simple and best of all NO firewall clearance issues. Don't get me wrong the 350 is a good motor but out of the 2 its a bigger headache to try and swap in.
 

I guess the one thing I have forgotten to mention was that it isn't driveable right now. I had to peel the body off b/c there wasnt much left of it. I really appreciate everybody's input and I am sure I will be contacting everybody on this site as the rebuild is going on...
 
"Ford 302 (not as common and you have to swap your front axle over to driver's drop"--302's are all to common of a swap and you do not have to switch to a drivers side drop axle. The 302 is practically a bolt in motor. the only specialty parts you will need are some motor mounts. Ford bellhousings will bolt directly to your Jeeps existing transmission. you can use a regular Ford clutch plate/flywheel but you need to use the clutch disc from a chevy. Radiator from a 304 equipped Jeep has the hose locations in the proper location for a 302 as well. 100 lbs lighter than a 350, skinnier than a 350 which makes doing the exhaust fairly simple and best of all NO firewall clearance issues. Don't get me wrong the 350 is a good motor but out of the 2 its a bigger headache to try and swap in.

Agreed, forgot about the Ford using Jeep trans and transfer case. I was thinking about differnt transmission and tc options. In my circle, and this is just my opinion. Ford swaps aren't as common as Chevy. Both make great motors and I have seen both perform well in CJ's. I was just giving him the most common swaps. Take a look on the trails, most CJ's I see with a V8 engine swap is SBC.
 
True SBC is more common than SBF, main reason I can think of is the availabilty of SBC GM put them in just about everything imaginable parts are cheap and they are quite easy to build. Around here SBC swaps are the more popular choice as well but I've seen alot of people who are swapping in 5.0's out of mustangs/explorers, with the amount of interest in these motors increasiang at an alarming rate. These are the HO full roller motors with the Exploder motors going 1 step further using the GT40p Cylinder heads as well. Fords Mass air EFI takes upgrades extremely well and works great in all conditions. Power ratings are a toss up 350TBI has 190HP Mustang 5.0 has 225 HP Explorer 5.0 has 245 HP and the Vortec 350 comes in at 255. with the torque #'s being spread about the same The Vortec EFI system is a bit more complicated to swap in than the Ford system is. Of course most of that is mute if you go with a carb or propane setup.
 
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