No but this guy is a MURDERER- UPDATE

Yeah, I watched the video of the sheriff giving a statement and of all of the 8 hunters shot and 6 killed only one of the orginial group of 3, who were all killed, some shot multiple times, only one of all of the group was armed.
Eight people, one gun, all shot, six dead,

against this guy and his trusty SKS
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Yeah..self defense.
Crazy, nut, who needs to fry.


Robert Crotteau, 42
Joey Crotteau, 20
Al Laski, 43
Mark Roidt, 28
Jessica Willers, 27
Denny Drew, 55

A fund has been set up for the families of survivors and victims of the hunter shootings in northwestern Wisconsin.

Contributions can be sent to:

Rice Lake Hunters Survivors and Victims Fund
Dairy State Bank
16 South Main Street
Rice Lake, Wis. 54868
 
RE: Watch this!!!!

my dad told me about this the other night. when he told me they had a manhunt for him i asked him did they shoot him on site? he said no, they should have and i agree. then he told me there was a father and a son murdered and at that point i thought to myself, well i think id save my bullet, id cut his throat and hang the guy upside down from a tree. there is no reason to shoot and kill 6 people and i will be very interested find out if they find this bullet the hunters shot at him, i think hes a total load of BS and he should get a first class ticket straight to hell. so think about it, if everyone that got taunted by anyone because of their race, skin or anything else went out and shot everyone that ever taunted them, we'd all be SOL, everyone has to learn to deal with peoples isht and apparently this guy had serious problem being able to handle his temper. 1st class baby, straight down...
 

At least one victim was shot in the back while retreating, and two others were shot off an ATV. Sounds like self-defense to me :roll:
 
Summary of Wisconsin's deer-hunt shooting case

Associated Press


WHAT'S NEW: Investigators are looking into a possible link between Sunday's alleged shooter and a three-year-old unsolved hunting murder.

THE LINK: Chai Vang, who is being held on $2.5 million bail in Sawyer County, resembles a person reportedly seen in the area of Clark County where Jim Southworth was found shot to death Nov. 23, 2001.

WHAT'S NEXT: Wisconsin's attorney general says charges in the Sawyer County shooting are not expected until Monday at the earliest
 
Re: Hell in a handbasket

90Xjay said:
Summary of Wisconsin's deer-hunt shooting case

Associated Press


WHAT'S NEW: Investigators are looking into a possible link between Sunday's alleged shooter and a three-year-old unsolved hunting murder.

THE LINK: Chai Vang, who is being held on $2.5 million bail in Sawyer County, resembles a person reportedly seen in the area of Clark County where Jim Southworth was found shot to death Nov. 23, 2001.

WHAT'S NEXT: Wisconsin's attorney general says charges in the Sawyer County shooting are not expected until Monday at the earliest

Don't you just love the way they always use that word "alleged"? :roll:
 

Re: Update on the shootings

I know, they have to keep it that way to be careful not to sway a potential jury pool I guess??? He admitted to shooting them.
 
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90Xjay said:
I would no be surprised if they find out something twisted about this guy or in his history. They did say he served in the Army in CA for about 4 months, he is 36 ys old.

Send him to Texas, we will smoke him! 23 this year so far.

News reports state he was arrested either 6 years ago or 6 months ago (I can't remember which) for threatening to kill his wife. He was mental and shouldn't have had a gun, but gun laws are pretty much useless if you really want a gun, you can get one.

My sis-in-law is Viet Namese, only been in the states for about 6 years, and has completed her citizenship, yet she still has beliefs that were ingrained from her country for the 26 years she lived there. She still knows more about our government and country than I do because of the work she did trying to become a citizen.

The guy in the story appears to have been a whack-job anyway, regardless of race or immigration status, so please refrain from making this a race issue, as it is anything but that. As has been stated, it doesn't matter what race he is, or where he immigrated from.
 
90Xjay said:
The dead included four males, including a teenage boy, and a woman
father and son were among them, he said.

Some of the victims were shot more than once.


XJAY- I saw this too in the initial report but then I saw a newslisting with the names and ages of the dead and it didn't match up. There were no children or women. What gives?

I agree with some of what you all said. Having spent 10 days in another country, I was flabbergasted at how stupid and silly I felt on a daily basis because things are SO SO different everywhere across the world. In the US, we tend to think everyone is like us and everything is the same across the world. Some of our concepts are nothing like the rest of the world, for sure.

SO, I don't know the whole story. I do know that when your in a new country, things are different for you and life is confusing. How long has he been here?

On the other hand, ya know I don't believe in killing anyone anytime unless they are truly trying to kill you. I find it hard to believe that six hunters with one gun were trying to kill another hunter, private property or not. The US people would have known the laws and six of them decided to go against assult laws and shoot someone just because they were on private property? They would have known the legal tides were against them.

Thirdly, what kind of gun did he have? Anyone mind telling me? I won't subscribe to a zillion newspapers online so I'm not sure. I HEARD that he had an automatic kind of gun. Do they commonly get used for hunting or did I hear that wrong in the first place? I thought hunters used single shot rifles but I've never hunted, for sure.

Anyway, sad story overall. Very sad. This world is insane anymore.

I hesitate to take ANY sides when I don't know the people or the situation first hand. Jumping to conclusions does no good in any situation. I try to see (if possible) the entire picture and even then not cast judgements.

I just hope that in my lifetime I am not touched by a sad situation like these that I read about in the news every day.

LJF
 

You can use any legal firearm during the proper season for hunting so long is it has the required power to kill what you are hunting.

The weapon was a semi-automatic, which means it can fire as fast as you can repeatedly pull the trigger. Very common in hunting rifles. Fully automatic would mean it would fire continuously with one pull of the trigger (those are illegal).

That story sounds like the guy was on a mission and not defending himself, but a jury will hear it all and justice will prevail - that's all we can ask.
 
Thanks for the info on the gun Twisted. Learn something new every day! I didn't know the difference between semi and automatic but now I do. I didn't know semi's were common for hunting ether! Remind me to stay out of the woods. lol

I agree, let the jury decide.
 
RE: slayer

SParky-Watts wrote

The guy in the story appears to have been a whack-job anyway, regardless of race or immigration status

I Could not agreed more.

Sparky-Watts also wrote:

please refrain from making this a race issue, as it is anything but that. As has been stated, it doesn't matter what race he is, or where he immigrated from.

You are incorrect in that statement.

I have read several reports by numerous sources stating the already violent history between the "Hmong" and the locals.



Denver Post:"There have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region. Locals in the Birchwood area, about 120 miles northeast of the Twin Cities, have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit."

The Sun-Sentinel"The incident also raised fears of increased cultural clashes between Hmong and other hunters, tensions that have simmered in Wisconsin and Minnesota for years."

There is much much more on the clashes between these two groups.
Race is an issue no matter how uncomfortable is sounds to hear or say.
Who is right or wrong? Let the authorities and courts decide.

But I thought private property was just that, private.

We can all sometimes be over-sensitive when it comes to talking about these things, but we shouldn't be. Different races and cultures clash and people often get hurt or killed because of it. It is just an ugly fact.
 

Race is an issue no matter how uncomfortable is sounds to hear or say.
That statement (i think) is a simple incident of miscommunication)

Actually, it's not "race" (genetic makeup) that has anything to do with it.
It's a CULTURAL problem. Now, there have been "clashes", but have the clashes been verbal, hand to hand, or gun fights?

It should be uncomfortable to say it's a "Race" issue, because that word implies genetic predisposition to being a certain way. (As opposed to learned behavior.)

I think 90xjay is implying it's a cultural issue, when he says race. Just a matter of semantics, that's all.
 
RE: slayer

Mingez wrote:
It should be uncomfortable to say it's a "Race" issue, because that word implies genetic predisposition to being a certain way. (As opposed to learned behavior.)

Why should it be?

Why should it be taboo to talk about differences whether they be genetic or cultural?

I agree the cultural impact is great in this case, I mentioned culture in my post

90Xjay wrote:
Different races and cultures clash and people often get hurt or killed because of it.


In this case these two different cultures are in fact different races, but
none is superior to the other the only race that matters is the human race, and every man,woman, and child is included.

The Hmong(culture,group, or whatever you want to call it), have had a history of fighting with the land owners in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Why is that so hard to say or hear?
 

More lift

I understand what you are getting at. But I disagree.
Race, predisposes nobody in this case to do what they did. Now, cultural influences, maybe.

Why should it be taboo to talk about differences whether they be genetic or cultural?
Because it's dangerous to make assumptions about who a person will be, or how they will turn out before they are born. It's that type of talk that leads to statements like: "Black people aren't smart, Irishman are Drunks, Mexicans steal." The dangerous part is assuming these things BECAUSE of their genetics.

It's that kind of thinking that lead to slavery, the killing of Jews, and Racism. I know you aren't a racist, I'm just saying that making race an issue (as opposed to culture) assumes that people are "just born that way" because they are Asian, Caucasian, or otherwise.

Because, in terms of our racial make up, we all have the same potential as a human being. It's the learned behavior that realizes that potential.
 
Again, I guess we will have to leave it at that.

I just don't think we all need to be so on edge when talking about race and culture. Talking openly many times helps to curb the type of racist thinking your are referring to.

When the papers report that the Laotian Hmong have had problems, including verbal and physical with land owners in that region, I don't think that the writers in the story are being racist, it just helps identify and clarify what is taking place.

Just like saying the crips and blood gangs fought somewhere.


My friend is a prison guard here in Texas and often refers to the gang problems by the names of the gang which is used and preferred by the gangs themselves, Mexican Mafia and Aryan Brotherhood, the State of Texas identifies gang members by these names. Is that racist? I don't think so.

Like I said the only race that really counts is the human race and we are all included. Because they are Hmong does not predispose them to tresspass on private land, it just identifies the people group clashing with the land owners.

Cultural learning and influence effects behavior, your skin color does not.
 
I had to break out the 10' pole for this one !!!

mingez said:
Why should it be taboo to talk about differences whether they be genetic or cultural?
Because it's dangerous to make assumptions about who a person will be, or how they will turn out before they are born...
Because, in terms of our racial make up, we all have the same potential as a human being. It's the learned behavior that realizes that potential.

Well that is not necessarily true. Different races have different skin pigment, different facial features, and different physical characteristics.

These differences can give one an advantage over the other in some things. A Mexican man can withstand a day in the hot sun better than a man from Iceland. Skin color, body chemestry are 2 factors there. A Kenyan has an advantage over a Chinese man in a marathon. The Kenyans are renowned for their long legs/strides, while Chinese are notoriously short. Why do you think pro Basketball is dominated by black men? (I don't use african american, as many people of color in this country have no heritage with africa whatsoever. I use "black" just as I would use "white". Take it for what it's worth) Baseball is a sport that has many different types of athletes. This is why it is so diverse and a good reason to love the game. A pitcher is built differently than a shortsop, and a solid designated hitter different from a center-fielder. Look at Hockey, cold temperatures. Racist statement? No. Racial statement? Yes. There is a difference, but our minds have been so narrowed by political correctness that most of us can't see or admit the difference.

These are merely a few examples of racial differences. They exist. This is not bad, but to write this I can kiss any idea of ever holding a public office goodbye. Why? See other thread :roll:

This is also why I see 7-9 year old boys who have never met each other and meeting for the first time as a baseball team and the black boys sit together on the bench while the white boys sit together as well. One or two might mix it up, but that is how it was for 4 years straight now. By the end of the season, the team is one big happy oreo cookie, and the situation is entirely different, as they have made cliques and groups that break that first meeting up. Please note that the kids never had any problems with each other, I am merely pointing out that when 14 kids all meet each other the first time, they immediately pair up with what is familiar.

Sure, there are exceptions, but there are significant differences between races. It does not mean that they cannot co-exist, it does not mean one is superior to another in general, but there are differences nonetheless. Denying it is futile. I say instead of denying it, we should celebrate it.


It's that type of talk that leads to statements like: "Black people aren't smart, Irishman are Drunks, Mexicans steal." The dangerous part is assuming these things BECAUSE of their genetics.
That kind of stuff is not what I am talking about. That is racist, not racial. Statements like that are inspired by ignorance, fear, hate, or all three.

This again, is where fact is denied for political correctness.
 

90Xjay said:
Again, I guess we will have to leave it at that.

I just don't think we all need to be so on edge when talking about race and culture. Talking openly many times helps to curb the type of racist thinking your are referring to.

When the papers report that the Laotian Hmong have had problems, including verbal and physical with land owners in that region, I don't think that the writers in the story are being racist, it just helps identify and clarify what is taking place.

Just like saying the crips and blood gangs fought somewhere.


My friend is a prison guard here in Texas and often refers to the gang problems by the names of the gang which is used and preferred by the gangs themselves, Mexican Mafia and Aryan Brotherhood, the State of Texas identifies gang members by these names. Is that racist? I don't think so.

Like I said the only race that really counts is the human race and we are all included. Because they are Hmong does not predispose them to tresspass on private land, it just identifies the people group clashing with the land owners.

Cultural learning and influence effects behavior, your skin color does not.

I think we just agreed again. As I said before, it was just a matter of semantics.
 
TwistedCopper said:
I had to break out the 10' pole for this one !!!

mingez said:
Why should it be taboo to talk about differences whether they be genetic or cultural?
Because it's dangerous to make assumptions about who a person will be, or how they will turn out before they are born...
Because, in terms of our racial make up, we all have the same potential as a human being. It's the learned behavior that realizes that potential.

Well that is not necessarily true. Different races have different skin pigment, different facial features, and different physical characteristics.

These differences can give one an advantage over the other in some things. A Mexican man can withstand a day in the hot sun better than a man from Iceland. Skin color, body chemestry are 2 factors there. A Kenyan has an advantage over a Chinese man in a marathon. The Kenyans are renowned for their long legs/strides, while Chinese are notoriously short. Why do you think pro Basketball is dominated by black men? (I don't use african american, as many people of color in this country have no heritage with africa whatsoever. I use "black" just as I would use "white". Take it for what it's worth) Baseball is a sport that has many different types of athletes. This is why it is so diverse and a good reason to love the game. A pitcher is built differently than a shortsop, and a solid designated hitter different from a center-fielder. Look at Hockey, cold temperatures. Racist statement? No. Racial statement? Yes. There is a difference, but our minds have been so narrowed by political correctness that most of us can't see or admit the difference.

These are merely a few examples of racial differences. They exist. This is not bad, but to write this I can kiss any idea of ever holding a public office goodbye. Why? See other thread :roll:

This is also why I see 7-9 year old boys who have never met each other and meeting for the first time as a baseball team and the black boys sit together on the bench while the white boys sit together as well. One or two might mix it up, but that is how it was for 4 years straight now. By the end of the season, the team is one big happy oreo cookie, and the situation is entirely different, as they have made cliques and groups that break that first meeting up. Please note that the kids never had any problems with each other, I am merely pointing out that when 14 kids all meet each other the first time, they immediately pair up with what is familiar.

Sure, there are exceptions, but there are significant differences between races. It does not mean that they cannot co-exist, it does not mean one is superior to another in general, but there are differences nonetheless. Denying it is futile. I say instead of denying it, we should celebrate it.


It's that type of talk that leads to statements like: "Black people aren't smart, Irishman are Drunks, Mexicans steal." The dangerous part is assuming these things BECAUSE of their genetics.
That kind of stuff is not what I am talking about. That is racist, not racial. Statements like that are inspired by ignorance, fear, hate, or all three.

This again, is where fact is denied for political correctness.

I'll have to get back to you on this one. It's late and I have a BIG retail weekend to work this Thanksgiving. But for now, I'll just have to thank you for being you and salute.

See, I told you I can do it. :D
 
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