2" vs 3" on my zj

bchcky

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i also talked to johnny about a lift today. he said to go with a cheap 2" lift instead of a 3" lift. i'd save myself a lot of money obviously. and he said if i did a 3" in my zj (96) i'd probably have to drop the t-case among other things. and i could still fit 31's in there with a 2" lift. not that i dont trust johnny, but i was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on this.
 

is your zj full time all wheel drive or selectable
 
according to the lift kit manufacturers with the all wheel drive the most you can lift them is 3" without problems. But I have a 5.9 limited AWD ZJ at the shop that we have lifted 6"'s. I would go with a 2" spring lift not the spacer lift. It will cost just a little more but you will probably get more like a 3" lift because of the wear in your stock springs. At 3" you can get away without doing a tc drop but not anymore then that.
 

ecor said:
according to the lift kit manufacturers with the all wheel drive the most you can lift them is 3" without problems. But I have a 5.9 limited AWD ZJ at the shop that we have lifted 6"'s. I would go with a 2" spring lift not the spacer lift. It will cost just a little more but you will probably get more like a 3" lift because of the wear in your stock springs. At 3" you can get away without doing a tc drop but not anymore then that.
johnny said i could get the 2" coil lift for under $300, he showed me one in jp that was $299.99, but that i could probably get it cheaper. so i think thats what i'll end up doing, and then i could fit 31's? but i have the stock 15x7 rims, should i go 15x8 or 15x9 for 31's? or is that not necessary.?
 
you could get into some American Racing 767 rims (black... very nice) for pretty cheap (about $40 apiece for 15X8). you don't need a wider rim for 31's though... the height of the tire doesn't really depend on the width of the rim.
 
15x7 is plenty of rim for a 31x10.50x15 tire, as a matter of fact it is the recommended rim size for that tire.
 

Now Now... The 2" lift was not coil springs rather coil spacers, they sit up in the coil bucket and simply lift the vehicle that way,(same idea as shackles) there will not be any new coils. You won't need to drop the T-case unless it is over 3 inches (ex..4" lift.) If you did put a set of 31x10.5r15's on your factory rims, they would fit the rim perfectly, but you might get some rubbing on the control arms at full lock, if you recall I told you that if you went with the canyon rims off a TJ, they look identical to yours but they are 15x8 and have a slighly greater back spacing (numerically less, is that right? sticks out a little more)

The other lift I mentioned but didn't tell you a lot about is a budget coil spring swap for ZJ's, take the front coils and put them in the rear, get new 4" lift coils for the front, 4 new shocks, and new adjustable lower control arms, brake lines, I would avoid the T-case drop and go with a SYE for the insurance (I think I showed you my old drive shaft and pinion yoke) and some other extensions and brackets la la la... in the long run, when done properly is not that much less than a 4.5" suspension system all together.

AS for what ecor said about 2" coil springs, you would more than likely get a full 2" out of them cause your GC is in mint shape, and does not sag or droop 1 bit! so the hopes of 3" over what you got now is questionable.
 
i've seen the 2" spacer lift w/ new shocks for under $200 - definitely a good investment and you will fit 31's... stock you can fit 30's
 

http://www.rocky-road.com/grandsus.html

second item down, what do you guys think about something like that? for under $100 for 2" i almost cant go wrong. all things considered, a $100 mistake on a jeep is rather cheap, and if it turns out to be something i didnt think it would be, i could probably get half my money back on ebay anyways.
 
sure, but you still need longer shocks.. factory shocks aren't long enough.... BTW.. the guy sells his shock extenders separately.. they only add 1.25" to the front shocks... and you rely on the rear to move enough to give you full flex... look at it this way, are your current shocks new? if not, might as well replace them while you have them off anyway.

http://www.mesa4x4.com/parts/rubicon_express/re-re8030.html

go here.. a friend just got the same kit (for an XJ, list price was the same) - after shipping, $203 - includes everything incl. shocks
 
thanks graewulf. how does your friend like them? are they good quality? as long as they last me, and i can fit 31's in there, i think it'll satisfy my needs.
 

question for anyone though....on that kit that graewulf posted 2 above this post, why are there only two spacers? is this a front to rear switch?

or are there really 4 spacers in the kit, and they're just not all pictured?
 
need a printable wiring diagram for '94 yj

4 spacers in the kit.... as for my friend, i'll have to get back to you, the kit is due in later this week or beginning of next week. i'm away next week, so we'll be installing the following week. I'll get pics and document the lift.... from what i have read, its a fairly simple lift to install.

Oh, on the ZJ, the rear bump stops need to be 2" longer (the kit i linked includes them), otherwise at full flex you can pop the rear spring off, the stops are a little short after the 2" spacers
 
graewulf said:
sure, but you still need longer shocks.. factory shocks aren't long enough....

yeah but if you click on the link again, it says "Nothing extra is needed to run this kit and it can easily be added on top of any existing spring lift on the market." meaning i wouldnt need the new shocks that you suggested.... :?:
 

true, but let me put it this way, with the sway bar disconnected, i drop till the shock bottoms out now, without the 2" lift.. sure, i'll sit 2" higher on level ground, but i won't gain any articulation at all with factory shocks,i will actually lose a little.... if i get the kit with the shocks, i gain 2" articulation, and keeping all 4 on the ground when off-camber will make the difference between getting stuck and not. Sure, you can keep the factory shocks, and be fine under normal driving conditions, but the whole point in going higher is to be able to do more, and not get stuck as easy.... and his kit lengthens the existing shock with a bolt on bracket that is 3/4" shorter than the lift, meaning you lose at least 3/4" articulation in the front, and 2" in the rear, plus risk popping a spring off the rear when fully flexed. the rear bump stops are only like 2 1/2" long to begin with, add a 2" spacer, doesn't leave much to holfd the spring in place, keep in mind, only two things is keeping the springs from popping, gravity when sitting hard, and the shocks when flexed. personally, i think there's a difference between being frugal and being cheap... to me not doing the shocks is definitely going cheap.
 
graewulf said:
true, but let me put it this way, with the sway bar disconnected, i drop till the shock bottoms out now, without the 2" lift.. sure, i'll sit 2" higher on level ground, but i won't gain any articulation at all with factory shocks,i will actually lose a little.... if i get the kit with the shocks, i gain 2" articulation, and keeping all 4 on the ground when off-camber will make the difference between getting stuck and not. Sure, you can keep the factory shocks, and be fine under normal driving conditions, but the whole point in going higher is to be able to do more, and not get stuck as easy.... and his kit lengthens the existing shock with a bolt on bracket that is 3/4" shorter than the lift, meaning you lose at least 3/4" articulation in the front, and 2" in the rear, plus risk popping a spring off the rear when fully flexed. the rear bump stops are only like 2 1/2" long to begin with, add a 2" spacer, doesn't leave much to holfd the spring in place, keep in mind, only two things is keeping the springs from popping, gravity when sitting hard, and the shocks when flexed. personally, i think there's a difference between being frugal and being cheap... to me not doing the shocks is definitely going cheap.

excellent explanation, makes total sense now. thanks a lot for your input graewulf. and keep me up to date on your friend's xj lift, how he likes it and everything when you get a chance to do it. thankS!
 
.... if i get the kit with the shocks, i gain 2" articulation
Correct me if I'm wrong here, because I'm just speculating.
If a lift consists of spacers while leaving the suspension and steering stock, it seems that you wouldn't really be gaining any articulation, just lift and clearance. I guess if the stock setup bottoms out at bump stops, you might gain a little, but would you really get all 2" added to your flex?
 

yup... if the front stops are kept stock, you gain 2" flex ( or close to it), but the longer stops in the rear dont gain any flex, just clearance...
 
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