Avalanche in CO.

mingez

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Fluctuating temperatures from cold to warm caused a large avalanche to bury 2 cars at Berthoud pass near Winter Park up here in CO. I've rock climb around there, and have skied Winter Park once, Berthoud Pass is quite treacherous in areas.

Tis sad indeed...speculation that one of the cars may have gone over the edge of the canyon. There's a possibility that others are involved, but only 2 cars have been confirmed.
 

Watchin' it on the news right now................DANG!!!!! It's 80 degrees here and I've got my shirt off...........funny world!?! Hope everyone's all right....heard there's a couple buried and a couple over the side. Got a phone call from our son out there - they had just come through that area (pre-avalanche, obviously). MAN!!!!!!!!
 
Yeah, the whole rest of the country is experiencing record breaking warm temperature. [sarcasm] yeah, Global Warming's a farce [/sarcasm]

And all of the high elevations are experiencing extreme precip weather associated with warm winters. It's gettin' dangerous.
 
Could've been much worse from what I've read. It happened sometime between 10 and 10:30am after the rush to the lifts at Winter Park had already passed through. They said that between 8 and 9:30am, that road is packed bumper to bumper!
 

Could've been much worse from what I've read. It happened sometime between 10 and 10:30am after the rush to the lifts at Winter Park had already passed through. They said that between 8 and 9:30am, that road is packed bumper to bumper!

Absolutely true. It's crazy the type of traffic there is out there.
 
Beautiful day here as well.

[sarcasm]The icebergs are melting and we are nearly under water. When will Bush put a stop to his carelessness and apathy toward the environmental crisis at hand!?!?!?!?!?[/sarcasm]

Seriously though... it was a nice day.

Ya know, climate changes and warming/cooling trends are completely natural. Trying to blame it on anything other than natural occurance based on the short period we have records of is nonsense.
 
Ya know, climate changes and warming/cooling trends are completely natural. Trying to blame it on anything other than natural occurance based on the short period we have records of is nonsense.
I was being tongue in cheek with that comment, but don't tell me that global warming is nonsense.

I was an anthro major, my best friend is a Geologist, and his wife a climatologist. So to say that "Trying to blame it on anything other than natural occurance based on the short period we have records of is nonsense" is, well, nonsense. The data they've shown me, and what I've read from people that deal with that stuff for a living are, no offense, a bit more of an authority. I know the politics you side yourself with tell you to believe it's bogus, but may I ask what data are you basing your opinions on?

As for the record:
We don't have a short period of records. We have millions of years of data in Trees, geology, oceanography, etc. (That is, if you believe in that sort of stuff) There is a pattern of cooling and warming trends that go back millions of years that we can trace. And glaciers that have been dated to have existed through all of the interglacial Ice Age periods have disappeared. In other words, they've existed previous to the last cycles, of the last two glacial periods (Ice Ages) and the last two interglacial periods (One of which is now)

The record you speak of as "a short period of time" is that of only the human recordings of global temperatures and carbon dioxide readings. But there is much more data in the geologic record. Saying there is no record is a misinformed statement.

Yes, changes and anomalies are perfectly normal I agree, and YES this heatwave isn't proof of global warming (again, I was joking). But there are billions more points of data that prove that it is happening.
 

don't tell me that global warming is nonsense.
I didn't. I said that blaming it on Man is nonsense.

I'm not disputing the warming trend. What I dispute is the fact that Man is causing it. Yes, I know, you didn't say so in your post. It is, however, a common belief.

The problem I have with global warming is that it is politicized heavily and it is a war cry for environmentalists and socialists who will never be satisfied until I have to ride an electrified train to work.

Gasses which cause the "greenhouse effect" do exist. It is beleived by many scientists that a severe greenhouse effect is what killed off the dinosours. Personally, that's the most reasonable theory I have heard.

The part that absolutley slays me is if you run down a top ten list of things that cause these gasses man is at the bottom, with siesmic activity at the top. I read that Mt St. Helens emitted more gasses harmful to the ozone layer in 10 minutes than all of man has since the first man walked on Earth. Hell, sunspots cause more harm than we do. I honestly can't remember where I read the St Helens reference or I would post a link.

BUT

They continue to choke my engines with emmission controls, impeding my fuel economy. They continue to re-invent standards for gasoline, raising the costs.

Fact is we could all ditch all technology and live as if we were primitive people carrying baskets on our heads and walking everywhere but this warming trend would still happen. Just as another ice age will happen. It is the nature of our planet.
 
True, seizmic activity is numero uno, but that's never going to change. The planet has been in "Balance" with said activity. The only changes in activity are cow flatulence and technological emissions. It's the whole picture. Green house gases, ozone depletion, deforestation both above and below the sea. Nature will certainly correct itself, but at what cost?

I don't think environmentalists are suggesting that we do away with technology, on the contrary, they are saying to use technology to find alternatives. Non-fossil fuel using technology
 
As for the emission restrictions on vehicles, I think that's less in response to global warming, and more of a health issue and local quality of air issue anymore.
 

True, seizmic activity is numero uno, but that's never going to change. The planet has been in "Balance" with said activity. The only changes in activity are cow flatulence and technological emissions. It's the whole picture. Green house gases, ozone depletion, deforestation both above and below the sea. Nature will certainly correct itself, but at what cost?

I don't think environmentalists are suggesting that we do away with technology, on the contrary, they are saying to use technology to find alternatives. Non-fossil fuel using technology
There is nothing that proves we have thrown that balance off.
 
Do you believe that we can change warming and cooling trends on the Planet Earth to better suit us? You yourself said they are naturally occuring. If we could, although I believe we can not, would we not then truly be disturbing the Earth's natural cycles?

What gives anyone any inclination that man has affected the Earths naturally occuring climate changes?

Pardon me while I go outdoors to have a smoke, and check on the trash I'm burning in a burn barrel :lol:
 

So, there was an avalanche in Colorado?
 
Do you believe that we can change warming and cooling trends on the Planet Earth to better suit us? You yourself said they are naturally occuring. If we could, although I believe we can not, would we not then truly be disturbing the Earth's natural cycles?

What gives anyone any inclination that man has affected the Earths naturally occuring climate changes?

Pardon me while I go outdoors to have a smoke, and check on the trash I'm burning in a burn barrel :lol:

Imagine how guilt riddin those poor cave men felt for their part in bringing on that ice age thing?
I mean all of that hunting and gathering they did must have triggered the ice age. Only if they had been more responsible and passed laws to limit their impact on the earths weather patterns. Its a real shame:redface:
 

Ah, another nice day. Maybe I'll take out the SUV for a heavy throttled drive around the hills. Ooooh, maybe I'll get to run down a critter or two :D

Hey - I might as well have fun while there's still land to drive on 8)
 
Man does NOT affect the environment.........

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It's the dang aliens!
 
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